The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003

[nugnug]

Doesn't matter, ask her. I'd like to see her deny it.

And I'm not denying the semen, I accept it's there and I also have an easier time accepting the more believable explanation of innocent transfer than the alternative. What I'm saying is the semen on the bra is't identified as Kelly's. Sandra doesn't even know where that information originally came from. It was actually just suggested by Luke's previous lawyers.

well it certanly does matter if you accusing her of something like that.

[guest154]

I don't know who Lithium is... but in the past he's been called a liar and then backed it up. So I would  not jump too quickly to call him a liar again purely because I've never seen him say anything that he hasn't been prepared or capable of backing up.

If Sandra was to say that she hadn't said what he says she has - my stomach tells me he'd prove it.

[nugnug]

I don't know who Lithium is... but in the past he's been called a liar and then backed it up. So I would  not jump too quickly to call him a liar again purely because I've never seen him say anything that he hasn't been prepared or capable of backing up.

If Sandra was to say that she hadn't said what he says she has - my stomach tells me he'd prove it.

i dont recall him ever backing anything up.

and a feeling in your stomache just wont do.

[guest154]

Really? Because that simply isn't true nugnug. He once claimed to have been given access to some database with private messages didn't he? That someone had past them on to him? He was ripped to pieces for that by you lot........then he posted some extracts.

Could this be where he has seen the words of Sandra Lean?

[nugnug]

why dont you prove it now

[guest154]

why dont you prove it now

Nug...aren't you a fan of Sandra Lean? Why would you press someone to release something that would make her look terrible?

[gordo30]

It could well possibly be but it would show his moral ineptitude should he continue to use these private messages and thoughts as a stick to beat people with. I wonder how you would feel mat should your pm's be available to all? I suppose that would depend on the type of person you were but you do seem to endorse these types of action. I wonder did you take a look at the pm sent by your mentor to the person he thought was Jodi's mum!! I wonder what your view on that would be?

[guest154]

It could well possibly be but it would show his moral ineptitude should he continue to use these private messages and thoughts as a stick to beat people with. I wonder how you would feel mat should your pm's be available to all? I suppose that would depend on the type of person you were but you do seem to endorse these types action. I wonder did you take a look at the pm sent by your mentor to the person he thought was Jodi's mum!! I wonder what your view on that woud be?

My Pm's have been leaked on this forum before - also I've been accused of saying thnigs VIA PM that I have never said - ever.
I am not condoning anything - however - I agree that if people in power are up to no good and make disgusting comments about people they should be willing to back it up.
That is why I never say anything in a PM that I wouldn't say in public.

[nugnug]

its also totally illegal.

[guest154]

its also totally illegal.

Well no, it isn't.
It isn't illegal for Lithium though. He says he didn't hack - he was past the information from someone.

It's the same as Wikileaks, it isn't illegal for them to show what they have been sent, nugs.

[gordo30]

The mentor bit was not directed at you but someone is pushing your buttons for sure. What you know about anything regarding anyone will have been contained within those pm's or zip file.

[nugnug]

Well no, it isn't.
It isn't illegal for Lithium though. He says he didn't hack - he was past the information from someone.

It's the same as Wikileaks, it isn't illegal for them to show what they have been sent, nugs.

yes if they can prove thats how they got it.

[nugnug]

im not talking about anyone's private messages, didnt even care enough about them to read them when someone sent me the zip file containing them. I'm still pretty sure it was one of your own, hoping i'd leak information for you. And who's my mentor gordo?

well the truth will be established about that shortly.

may i ask why you havent leaked the information then.

[guest154]

yes if they can prove thats how they got it.

I was in the tinychat room when a random name entered and pasted the download link to the zip file Lithium is talking about. Anyone could have done that, anyone could have clicked on it and read all of the information inside....and anyone could leak any of it at any moment.  I wouldn't be happy if it was my PM's but then again I wouldn't have said anythnig that could be used against me and I certainly wouldn't be insulting people from Luke or Jodi's family.

[nugnug]

Don't worry, I can. I've honestly never touched your website. Why are you so aggressive nugnug? Mat has a point I could have easily posted all of those messages and didn't out of decency, only did it reluctantly when Gordo goaded me, and deleted it soon after.

i think we are going around in circules ill leave it for now im sure we both have beeter things to do.