The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003

[nugnug]

It could be incriminating, it could be innocent. But it exists. Stephanie and others seem completely unaware of that.

but there is none of his dna on her clothes the day she was found  but plenty of other peoples.

[gordo30]

How do you explain the lack of DNA, simply just all washed off?

[gordo30]

How do YOU know it was janines t-shirt?

[nugnug]

She was wearing her sisters shirt, that's not debatable as far as I'm concerned.

And can I see your sources please. Just to keep it fair.

its very debatable i think because her sisters dna isn't on it.

they dident live in the same house so when did she borrow it.

surely her sister would wash it before lending it to surely if it hadent been she would wash it before wearing it.

[gordo30]

Or maybe she was lying to protect her boyfriend who raped and murdered her young sister?
Why would you try and put those words in my mouth, thats quite insulting.

How did Janine know?

[gordo30]

I can't really make it any simpler m8.

[gordo30]

A question with a question...

Im asking quite simply how did Janine know it was her shirt?

[nugnug]

well that's a good point gordo had she actually seen the shirt.

if she hadent she couldent possibly know.

[nugnug]

She recognised/remembered buying it/remembered Jodi borrowing it

but how did she know Jodi was wearing it on the night of the murder.

did she it next to the body.

thats the only way i can see that she could of known.

[gordo30]

if your wife walked into the room right now holding a shirt asking if it was yours, how would you know?

I agree under those circumstance I would recognise my shirt.

She may well have recognised buying a similar shirt infact she bought two exactly the same. Jodi also had 6 plain black shirts removed after the crime. When you talk about recognising the shirt how did Janine do this exactly? or more to the point when.

[gordo30]

ofcourse she seen the shirt.

Thats the boldest statement you have made so far, can you link me to anything corroborating that? I will save you the time as you will not find it.

[nugnug]

she couldent have seen it that night unless she had seen jodi.

[nugnug]

I'm not saying Janine saw her alive on the day or night of her murder. I'm saying it was common knowledge and evidence at the trial what Jodi was wearing when she was killed. It was also known to the family. Do you think the police never asked the family everything about the clothing? and what she was wearing isn't up for debate as the clothing was found at the scene. What you should be asking yourself is how Luke managed to describe the clothing she had on when she died. I'm just waiting til Sandra gets the chance to post the relevant info when she gets home. 

Luke "may have seen the clothes sprawled around her when he found the body" according to nugnug afew pages ago. But now it's impossible that Janine done the same?

CAN'T PICK AND CHOOSE!!!!



I'm off back out, I look forward to Sandra's information. Later.

at the trail yes but how could she know emeadatly that it was her t shirt.

she couldent have done unless she had seen jodi alive that day or she saw the t shirt by the body.

now im not sure when she decided it was her t shirt weather it was after her boyfriends sperm was found on it or before.

[gordo30]

I take it you didn't find anything then m8..

I will save you the effort really as Janine didn't actually see the t-shirt but she did identify  it by the label through an evidence bag. What im trying to emphasise is that in this case nothing is beyond reasonable doubt, even the t-shirt that Jodi was wearing which you claimed was uncontestable. Though it could be argued that any t-shirt was in the bag if you were being pedantic.
What Jodi was wearing when she was killed is what was found at the scene, though the family as you call it gave a completely differnt account of what Jodi was wearing when she left the house.

Do you think the police never asked the family everything about the clothing?

Can you be sure that they did? like I said they had Jodi wearing blue jeans and a blue hoodie and she was found in all black baggy jeans with a black hoodie with a large logo on it.

Luke "may have seen the clothes sprawled around her when he found the body" according to nugnug afew pages ago. But now it's impossible that Janine done the same?

It is impossible because Janine didn't go through the V to view the body.

[nugnug]

oh yes sorry your right gordo she dident so she couldn't have seen the t shirt at the crime scene.