Author Topic: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003  (Read 1055844 times)

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Offline Roch

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Can members please avoid goading tactics.  Thanks.

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Nugnug, I was just trying to get your story straight. Because I thought that you believed she'd changed clothes - but if she didn't - then she was wearing at school that day the clothes that she wore when she was found?

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The article certainly puts a slightly different slant on things when we hear that no traces of DNA were found on Luke, the problem I have is that the article stopped short of what the DNA was extacted from, what I mean is if Luke had blood on himself from Jodi then the forensic pathologist and the prosecution would have made more of this sample. It would certainly have looked far more sinister as oppossed to say a strand of hair or cellular extraction.
Is there anyway of knowing what the sample consisted of? were you at the trial lithium?

The partial DNA samples remain and have always been accepted by us as having existed but as to their use and whether they could ever have stood up in court as you have seen D.F basicly shot them down as was right.

I have missed something regarding Luke describing Jodi's clothes though as I don't see it anywhere? Jodi almost certainly had changed clothing, just how much should have been realised once the clothing had been brought together at the crime scene and was only mentioned by Judy that she had went up to change after school.
The problem is that the t-shirt was borrowed a number of days before and not simply the night before, would Jodi have worn a dirty t-shirt? well I suppose if the semen stains were microscopic or undetectable by the human eye but SL has told us that there were larger stains at the armpits of the t-shirt that were clearly visable. The t-shirt being a few days old(im sure this was stated by Janine at court that she had two of the same and one was worn lately but that she couldn't find the other for a certain number of days) then the t-shirt would have been more apparent in its state of unwash. We also have the  the pathologists at the crime scene stating that the t-shirt had a strong smell of detergent on it pointing to it having been washed recently.

Its a strong point for me personally that if the t-shirt had been washed then no full profile could have been extracted and I have had that verified to me by someone who works with DNA on a regular basis.

 We have a positive match to samples of DNA to SK then is it possible to conclude that every sample of semen on the clothes found at the murder scene were deposited by SK, or are we saying that more samples of semen were deposited during the murder? the problem with this is that there were samples of semen and or sperm heads found all over numerous items of clothing including the bra,shoes and outer garments. These samples then don't tie in with SK's sample alibi surely!

Is it reasonable to think that if semen exists and a full profile exists matched to an individual that all semen samples belong to that individual? I think its a reasonable course of thought.
If you feel its not then that would suggest that the crime was very much sexually motivated and the prosecution would have taken up that mantal, as fresh semen must have originated at the scene. This would make it harder for Luke being the murderer as well as obliterate the motive of the killing being that they had had an arguement,unless of course the sex was non concensual and by that then we have to add on vast amounts of time as well as explain again how someone can be intimate and not have DNA on themself.
In case's of rape or consensual   sex their is an increased chance that DNA from the perpetraitor is deposited on the victim and when we add murder into this then how can anyone explain away the lack of DNA of Lukes anywhere where it should have been. How do we also factor this into the time scale I keep going on about also.

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it would be a pretty crap washing  powder if it left sperm on your clothes.

mind you such washing powders are about i think.

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The article certainly puts a slightly different slant on things when we hear that no traces of DNA were found on Luke, the problem I have is that the article stopped short of what the DNA was extacted from, what I mean is if Luke had blood on himself from Jodi then the forensic pathologist and the prosecution would have made more of this sample. It would certainly have looked far more sinister as oppossed to say a strand of hair or cellular extraction.
Is there anyway of knowing what the sample consisted of? were you at the trial lithium?

The partial DNA samples remain and have always been accepted by us as having existed but as to their use and whether they could ever have stood up in court as you have seen D.F basicly shot them down as was right.

I have missed something regarding Luke describing Jodi's clothes though as I don't see it anywhere? Jodi almost certainly had changed clothing, just how much should have been realised once the clothing had been brought together at the crime scene and was only mentioned by Judy that she had went up to change after school.
The problem is that the t-shirt was borrowed a number of days before and not simply the night before, would Jodi have worn a dirty t-shirt? well I suppose if the semen stains were microscopic or undetectable by the human eye but SL has told us that there were larger stains at the armpits of the t-shirt that were clearly visable. The t-shirt being a few days old(im sure this was stated by Janine at court that she had two of the same and one was worn lately but that she couldn't find the other for a certain number of days) then the t-shirt would have been more apparent in its state of unwash. We also have the  the pathologists at the crime scene stating that the t-shirt had a strong smell of detergent on it pointing to it having been washed recently.

Its a strong point for me personally that if the t-shirt had been washed then no full profile could have been extracted and I have had that verified to me by someone who works with DNA on a regular basis.

 We have a positive match to samples of DNA to SK then is it possible to conclude that every sample of semen on the clothes found at the murder scene were deposited by SK, or are we saying that more samples of semen were deposited during the murder? the problem with this is that there were samples of semen and or sperm heads found all over numerous items of clothing including the bra,shoes and outer garments. These samples then don't tie in with SK's sample alibi surely!

Is it reasonable to think that if semen exists and a full profile exists matched to an individual that all semen samples belong to that individual? I think its a reasonable course of thought.
If you feel its not then that would suggest that the crime was very much sexually motivated and the prosecution would have taken up that mantal, as fresh semen must have originated at the scene. This would make it harder for Luke being the murderer as well as obliterate the motive of the killing being that they had had an arguement,unless of course the sex was non concensual and by that then we have to add on vast amounts of time as well as explain again how someone can be intimate and not have DNA on themself.
In case's of rape or consensual   sex their is an increased chance that DNA from the perpetraitor is deposited on the victim and when we add murder into this then how can anyone explain away the lack of DNA of Lukes anywhere where it should have been. How do we also factor this into the time scale I keep going on about also.


well no trhe other sperm samples cant possibly tie in with his albi.

thry cant have all transfred there innocently and if it was jodis sister t shirt her dna should be on it as well but its fact that it is not so as far as i cant possbly be her t shirt.

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No problem. Nugnug's said enough. :) As does his choice to be silent all of a sudden.

Let's leave it to the guests.

whos being silent.

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Hi Gordo, Luke had Jodi's full DNA on his trousers, this is a fact that wasn't up for debate at the time, Findlay even took it upon himself to provide innocent explanations for it at the trial, as I demonstrated. So seeing things like this on the WAP page:
"Forensic evidence belonging to several other people was found at the scene and on the body, although none of Luke’s ever was." is a lie. Plain and simple.

Luke did describe what Jodi was wearing that night, in a police interview held only days after the murder, this was an interview that was played in court, you can ask Sandra about that. I wonder why she wouldn't have mentioned this before to her followers.  ::)

I do accept it's Kelly's semen, ( I don't accept his blood was found at the scene though this was never confirmed and I dont know why Sandra and Corinne are going around saying this, I believe the DNA "could be" blood. Although I believe it's his semen, I don't believe Kelly ejaculated at the murder scene or that he was there. His alibi is pretty much as strong as an alibi can be.

What do you make of nugnug now claiming he doesn't believe Jodi changed clothes from school? surprised?

so your saying a girfriends dna would not get on there boyfriends trouses innocently.


but other mens sperm would just innocently get on her t shirt.

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So you're saying Kelly's DNA wouldn't get on his girlfriends shirt innocently?  ::)

It's not up for debate that it was Janine's shirt, Janine would have no reason to make this up. Accept it.

if it was his girlfriends shirt his girlfriends dna would be on it.

but its not.

not a traCE OF ANY FEMALE DNA ON IT EXEPT JODIS.
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WELL THATS UP TO GORDO REALLY.

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sorry hit the caps lock by acedent.

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Can you provide proof that none of Janines DNA was on the shirt please?

I've saw you use "not a trace" before when referring to DNA that linked Luke to Jodi and vice versa, and I've provided sources of proof that that was a lie.

you have not provided any sources for anything you are saying.
where the links to what you are quoting.


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No problem. Can you post proof none of Janines DNA was on the shirt please?

its not in the dna report.

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Lithium, your avatar, its anonymous isnt it? i have seen their stuff on scientology, do we have one here, in England?
On Ilkley Moor Baht'at.

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Have what, Anon members?

Anonymous is a shared-identity. It's a multiple-use name. Everyone and anyone can be Anonymous. You may also recognise it from the V for Vendetta movie. It's the Guy Fawkes mask.

Ha, she means the group that call themselves anonymous. They use that mask.

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I know who she means lol, it's the group I was referring to. Anyone wishing to take action regarding something anonymously can be Anonymous. It's not a group with membership where you join etc.

Ohhhh. I should join them. Give me an excuse to wear that mask again.