The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003

[nugnug]

I think the basic logic og your argument is flawed.   

in what way all im saying is most victems relatives do not react like that.

[guest154]

in what way all im saying is most victems relatives do not react like that.

Flawed as in - just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean that it hasn't happened. So I don't see how you can say 'most victims' when there is no logic or work behind the statement.

My neighbour is caleld Billy, he drives a blue volvo. I don't know any other Billy's out there that drive a blue volvo but......that doesn't mean there aren't any. 

[nugnug]

Can nugnug or Gordo or anyone else explain how Luke managed to describe the clothes Jodi was wearing on the night of the murder in a police interview afew days after the murder, if he hadn't seen her that night, she had changed since school, and her body was naked when he found her? Thanks.

(this was a police interview played at the trial for everyone to here, before you accuse me of making it up or ask for a source)

The "no DNA" thing is another aspect that's been greatly exagerated and blown out of proportion over time. nugnug, Jodi's DNA was on Luke, her DNA was on his trousers, but 'may have occurred through an innocent transfer'. The trial also heard "there was no genetic material from Luke Mitchell, which could not be "innocently explained" found on her body."

 It was only after Luke Mitchells appeals did people start hearing the "No DNA at all! not one shred!" thing.

Sandra why dont you edit the site and mention Jodi's DNA was found on Lukes trousers? What was she doing down there?  Wasn't she on her knees when she had her throat cut?

Jodi's DNA was found on the accussed's trousers but this could have occurred through an "innocent transfer".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4098795.stm

it was not a full dna match the dna was simlar.
as you very well know.

he might have been to describe her clothes by the fact he had seen her at school that day.

wernt the clothes near the body anyway.

[nugnug]

No, Jodi's full DNA match was on his trousers. Fact. Doesnt matter how long you say something, it won't make it true.

You know she changed after school though  , hence the big debate about the sisters t-shirt and the sperm stains??? "why would she change into a smelly shirt" you said arguing that it was clean when she put it on. So you already know she changed after school. You're dis-honest.


So Luke saw a naked dead body but managed to have a look around and take note of the clothes sprawled everywhere in dark woods?

it was not a full dna match fact.

i never said she changed.

i would sort someones girlfriends to be on there trousers anyway.


you seem to be geting desprate now.

[guest154]

Nugnug. 

[nugnug]

All anyone has to do is read my last post to see that you were adamant the 'shirt she changed into' was clean, making Kelly's DNA suspicious.

Now that you've outed yourself as dishonest, I will no longer respond to you, I'm happy to debate it with Gordo though.

i will let the reader judge who is being dishonest.

[nugnug]

Excellent.

In other words you won't dig a deeper hole for yourself trying to worm you're way out of your lies.

as i said the reader can judge who the liar is.

[guest154]

as i said the reader can judge who the liar is.

I won't use the word liar. But who was wrong and backtracked IMO?  You nugnug.

[nugnug]

I won't use the word liar. But who was wrong and backtracked IMO?  You nugnug.

well the reader can read i actually not what you are claiming so they will be the best to judge who the liar is.

i dont think she did change her t shirt that day though i cant be sure of that.

[guest154]

Well to confirm, do you believe she changed her shirt that day or no?

[nugnug]

Well to confirm, do you believe she changed her shirt that day or no?

no i dont belive she did thats why i think the borrowed t shirt story is untrue.

[guest154]

no i dont belive she did thats why i think the borrowed t shirt story is untrue.

Okay so she had the same clothes on that she had at school that day then, yes?

[nugnug]

No, Jodi's full DNA match was on his trousers. Fact. Doesnt matter how long you say something, it won't make it true.

You know she changed after school though  , hence the big debate about the sisters t-shirt and the sperm stains??? "why would she change into a smelly shirt" you said arguing that it was clean when she put it on. So you already know she changed after school. You're dis-honest.


So Luke saw a naked dead body but managed to have a look around and take note of the clothes sprawled everywhere in dark woods?

so you are basically saying Kellys dna being on jodis clothes is innocent but a partail match from
jodi on lukes clothes is supiocious.

do you know how daft that sounds.

[guest154]

Okay so she had the same clothes on that she had at school that day then, yes?

Nugnug?

[nugnug]

answer Mat's question nugnug. 

i will choose questions i respond to.

i already said several times already i do not think she changed her clothes.

what part of that statement did not understand why do you keep asking the same qustions over and over agian.