The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003

[gordo30]

nugnug we should not have to lead people by the hand,I understand putting them in the right direction is beneficial but c.mon!!

[gordo30]

There are some samples that even till now are not a full match. The blood sample is matched to a one S.Kelly and sperm samples are matched fully to two men namely S.Kelly and J.Falconer.

[gordo30]

Sorry no his sample where discovered some 50 yards from the body.

[gordo30]

Heres a little test for you m8 If you are unaware of the reason given by S.Kelly as to his samples being there then try yourself to come up with a water tight alibi for the two samples being there innocently. I would really be interested in anything you come up with.

[nugnug]

there is another as yet unidentified sample that ws found in jodis trainer i believe.

[nugnug]

Falconer has sperm samples on the body? S.Kelly has both blood and sperm? I'm assuming he has a watertight alibi for the police not to care?

weather his albi is watertight or not is really a matter of opinion yes he gave an albi but i wouldn't say it was watertight.

[guest154]

S.Kelly is the sisters boyfriend who found the body with Luke yea, did he touch the body? Can't think of any other reason his blood and sperm would be on her.

She was wearing a piece of clothing that belonged to his girlfriend, right? So I think it was explained that this is why there would be sperm on it.

[nugnug]

Oh he's the condom guy then, I don't see any link between the condom and the murder to be honest, Jodi wasn't raped was she. Was there any female DNA on the condom?

I meant an alibi of where he was during the murder for the police to dismiss his DNA.

the police did at the time or they would not taken the condom

i do not believe that people use condoms when there alone.

it was raining at the time it was found any female dna could have been washed of.

[nugnug]

She was wearing a piece of clothing that belonged to his girlfriend, right? So I think it was explained that this is why there would be sperm on it.

so why would jodi be wondering around in a sperm stained t shirt i mean most tramps wouldent do it let alone a teenage girl.

[nugnug]

I'm guessing he was with the family that day considering he was part of the search then

he claimed to be with his girlfriend who was jodis sister but the times were rather vague.

[guest154]

so why would jodi be wondering around in a sperm stained t shirt i mean most tramps wouldent do it let alone a teenage girl.

We're not talking about a sperm stained shirt though, are we? We're not saying that the t-shirt was dripping in cum (ew) but that there was a sample recovered. It could have been so small it wasn't even visible to the human eye.

I doubt the T-shirt had a large visable white stain. Forensic tests can detec the tiniest traces, I always assumed thats all that was found correct me if I'm wrong. For it to be on a T-shirt I'm guessing it was the smallest traces maybe from S.Kelly or the sisters hands when cuddling afterwards perhaps. If there was a large white stain on the shirt then that's a different story. I've never heard of blood before until now do any independent sources report that?

I've never heard of the blood either.

[nugnug]

the sperm was actually found on jodis bra not the t shirt.

now how eactly did it get from the t shirt to the bra

pluss as far as i can see very is very liitle evedence to back up the storyt that the t shirt belonged to jodis sister.

[nugnug]

Both blood and semen would kind of contradict each other. For him to be bleeding it would suggest he was in a state of pain and discomfort, quite opposite from the mood he would have had to have been in to have ejaculated. Was he getting beat up while attacking Jodi or masturbating which one is it?

i would not like to speculate about that.

[nugnug]

so how do to dead sperm get from the front of t shirt to the back of a bra  deadsperm cant walk.

[nugnug]

Just been reading that page. The minor traces of sperm tells me it has to have been some sort of innocent transfer such as dirty washing or from hands as suggested. If he ejaculated there and then at the scene like you propose, wouldn't there be a far more substantial amount of semen?

That's not to rule him out though, he could have been at the scene of the crime and the traces could have come from his unclean hands or clothes I suppose. A sexual assault didn't have to take place necessarily. But then what motive would he have?

i have never propposed any such thing i just do not accept the explanation offered.

what i am trying to point out is how did luke clean of his own dna and yet leave other peoples on there.