Author Topic: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003  (Read 1055825 times)

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Offline susan

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D-Fens  sorry I am unable to understand your posts can you translate please :)

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but youv nae bother readin nug nugs i bet eh cause it caters to your ideals

Offline ngb1066

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D-FENS - Please do not post further until you have introduced yourself in the foyer, in accordance with forum rules.


Offline susan

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Hi D-Fen  Poor me does not have apostrophes on her laptop so she has to use commas I do know the difference as I was taught that before I went to Grammar School so please bear with me and I will do the same with you with I suspect your Aberdonian accent which I fine rather nice :)

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ye can detect an accent fi text oan a screen ? you are a clever yin ! would you kiss yer son like that be honest

Offline susan

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Hi D-Fin  No I will be totally honest with you I would never kiss my son in that way it is not the kind of kiss I approve of between Mother and Son.

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ad be mortified if ma mother grabbed my face wi both hands like that and leaned in for a kiss . no sayin this makes him a killer like but it suggests an abnormal relationship the pair hav got ! n add that wi the fact his mammy is his only alibi ! was the brother eatin dinner wi his family or chuggin in his room ? no tryin to be funny like just heard both diff accounts n wonderin what 1 it wis

Offline sandra L

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A kiss, D FENS?

Most people realise that the press take photos from specific angles, etc, to make one thing look like another. Look carefully at the photo to which you refer - where's the kiss?

Your comment about the "relationship" between Corinne and Luke is based on the same misinformation disseminated by L&B police. In fact, the original statements from the officer involved state that Corinne and Luke were sleeping in the livingroom, on separate settees, because Luke was on strong medication, and Corinne was worried about him falling down the stairs. The police knew this to be the case, yet chose to start a whispering campaign about them sleeping "in the same room," and inferring from this that the relationship was incestuous.

That's another thing - if people want to talk about this aspect of the case, it woud be helpful if they were honest about what they are implying - by "abnormal" or "unnatural" relationship, the many commentators over the years have clearly meant incestuous, but were worried about using the term, because that would tip the balance into an actionable accusation.

As for the height comparisons, again, be careful with selective photography. I am 5'3'', Corinne is an inch or so taller than me, which would put Luke, from these pics, at about 5'6'' - either these are quite short cops, or there is something to be considered about the camera angle etc.

All of the documentation about how the "incestuous" relationship rubbish got into the public domain is in the police files - it was a uite deliberate ploy, with no basis whatsoever in fact or reality.

Furthermore, it goes no way whatsoever to assisting anyone in deciding whether or not the available evidence supports or undermines the contention that the conviction of Luke Mitchell is safe or not, which is my sole interest in the case. If you don't mind, therefore, I'll restrict my participation to discussions about the actual evidence, not the media generated nonsense which surrounds the case.

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sandra L  Thank you for that excellent post and I see what you are meaning things get twisted and warped and I can see the angle of the photo after studying it carefully.

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either these are quite short cops, or there is something to be considered about the camera angle etc."

all of these different excuses instead o just sayin right ok maybe he could pass as a 20 year old

and no im not implyin incest atall i never even knew they shared a room thegether! am implyin a relationship wher she clearly has an infactuation for her baby boy and canni keep her hands off him she seems over protective enough to make up an alibi ! not her precious luke ! that the brother canni even back up even tho he wis in the hoose !!!

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Hi D-Fens  maybe more Fife than Aberdonian :) ;)

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clearly guilty

he wis pumpin the maw anaw
Oh dear! have you escaped the Jeremy Kyle holding pen? Taxi for D-FENS! ;D

Offline sandra L

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The brother could not remember what he'd done that evening - it was a perfectly ordinary weekday evening until midnight, when Corinne found out that Jodi had been found dead, and some time after that before Shane was informed.

In his initial statement, he said he presumed he had come home from work as normal, at around 3.30pm. It was evidence from his phone and another witness which drew attention to the fact that this part of his statement was incorrect. No negative inference was drawn from this - it was totally accepted that he had simply forgotten that he had stopped off at a friend's house on his way home from work that evening. It is that evidence which places him as arriving home at around 4.50pm, and other phone evidence which shows his arrangement to go out later that evening.

He discussed the evening with his mother, who reminded him that the only thing that might have made the evening stand out in his memory was that that was the night his dinner had been slightly burned. He returned voluntarily to the police to add this information to his statement.

Now, the two boys on the moped, who were Jodi's cousins, and were on the path, and their bike was at the V break without them at 5.15pm, took 5 days to come forward. They did not volunteer the information that they had been on the path at any point until a police appeal on Saturday 5th July, complete with description, was broadcast. When they did contact the police, following this broadcast, they both gave a different time - they said they were on the path about an hour earlier. When asked why they had not come forward sooner, one of them said Jodi's grandmother had told him not to go to the police, because they were on the path "too early."

The main point about these two, however, is that they said in evidence that they had spent the 5 days "talking about everything" before "realising they might have been on the path at the time Jodi was killed." there are a few points to this:

(1) They must have known from day 2 of the investigation that they were on the path at the time in question - police were appealing for anyone who had been in the vicinity of the path between 5pm and 10pm that evening.

(2) After realising this, why did they then lie to the police, and give a different time instead? Why did one of them lie to Jodi's grandmother about the time he was on the path. Was it a lie or a mistake? Well, given that one of them had an appointment, and knew the time of that appointment, and the other picked him up after that appointment, in order for the time given to have been a "mistake," both would have had to have suffered total amnesia for these events!

(3) Why is it "suspicious" that Luke's brother made a mistake about the period around 5pm that evening, discovered his mistake when speaking to his mother (a mistake which had already been verified by other evidence, incidentally) and going straight back to the police to correct it, when it is not considered suspicious that two of Jodi's cousins were discussing "everything" for 5 days, failed to come forward until they were forced to do so, and then lied about their whereabouts and whenabouts?

Why is it not suspicious that they "could not remember" where they were or what they were doing while their bike was propped against the V break, behind which Jodi's body was found, at 5.15pm, the claimed time of death?

Shane may have forgotten what he had for dinner, but there was no suggestion that he was anywhere near the murder scene at the claimed time of the murder. Yet there is direct, provable evidence, (including their own admission)  that these two were right at the spot, at exactly the time the police claimed Jodi was murdered, but it's not in any way suspcious that they could not account for their movements, and chose, instead, to lie about them?

And, for clarity, Shane did not say Luke was not at home, he said he could not remember. He also said, in evidence, that his treatment at the hands of the police had been so hostile and aggressive that he was no longer sure of anything relating to that evening. Having seen the various interrogations, etc, I am not at all surprised. In one "interview," the police officer says repeatedly, "I'm not accepting I don't know, I'm not accepting I can't remember, that's just not good enough. You'll give me an answer," When he protests that he can't answer definitively, and that the police officer is confusing him (by asking several questions at once without waiting for a response, then demanding an answer to somethng entirely different) he is told, "Picture this in your head... can you see this, I'm asking you to picture this..." (the officer describes a particular scene)...

Would D FENS apply the same criticisms to Jodi's brother who is attributed as having told police officers that the family, Jodi included, sat down and had dinner at the table together before Jodi left, when no such thing took place?




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The charade has gone on too long.  Contrary to what has been suggested elsewhere, D-FENS is not Kevin Craigie, he is John Lamberton using yet another of his fake IDs.  D-FENS is now banned.


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I think we can all work out who the other Sandra is and DFens.
Do you never get bored of trying to disrupt forums?
Why are you so obsessed with Mitchell, his family and supporters?
We all get that you think he is guilty and his mother and brother are liars. You have told us often enough.
Many people disagree with you.
Time will tell with this case and I hope you are ready to eat your hat. I can supply you with salt and pepper to go with it.

There is much evidence in this case to show very reasonable doubt. The case was not investigated properly for starters, but that will all come out too.