Author Topic: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003  (Read 1055503 times)

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Offline sandra

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so why do the authority use them then if there fake science.

luck had nothing to do with it nobody can be that lucky.
what authority?   

its all down to the operator.  he can say whatever he likes.  after all he gets paid by results.

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lie detectors are used in this country when deciding weather or not to release dangerous back in to the comunity.

something that you cant afford to get wrong to many times.

now they wouldn't be used for that if they wernt trusted as reasonably reliable.

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lie detectors are used in this country when deciding weather or not to release dangerous back in to the comunity.

something that you cant afford to get wrong to many times.

now they wouldn't be used for that if they wernt trusted as reasonably reliable.
it is a false science that is why it is never used by the criminal justice system.

Don't you know of all the convicted people who passed the polygraph and then they admit they are guilty.   ;D

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i only no of one.

at the end of the day the Mitchell dident have to take the test

and no chance to prepare.

i can name at least 2 cases where lie detecters are known to have worked.

colin stag and adrian prout.
oh and also rubin carter.
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i thought he was so obviously guilty that he was running out of options.  it looks like he wont be coming home for a long time.

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not a matter of running out of options way they were offered the cance to take the test and emedatly said yes not something a guilty person would want to do i mean someone who was guilty would at least want to think about it.

but corrines just gone yes ill do it.

we can only speclate on when hes comeing home but i think it will be sooner than you think.

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but he has no options left to him from what i have read.  didt the supreme court knock him back as well?


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maybe his brother shane should take the test as well and the we will know who is really lying.

its called a junk science and the us is getting wise to it.

http://www.lettersofnote.com/2010/05/like-most-junk-science-that-just-wont.html
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clearly guilty

he wis pumpin the maw anaw

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clearly guilty

he wis pumpin the maw anaw
Oh dear, not another numpty in the camp.

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Hi Grahame we certainly get um don,t we and they can,t even speak English

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maybe his brother shane should take the test as well and the we will know who is really lying.

its called a junk science and the us is getting wise to it.

http://www.lettersofnote.com/2010/05/like-most-junk-science-that-just-wont.html

maybe you can elaborate ive quoted a few cases where it has worked.

if its junk science why is it used by so many government agency's.

what are the chances of  people takeing the test and independently and passing when they were both lying.

if you think there junk why do you want shane to take the test.

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Oh dear, another Sandra - this might get confusing.

Anyway, the poster who said that the tester is paid for the results was, of course, absolutely correct. Just one problem with that. It was a national newspaper which paid for Corinne's test, so they had no vested interest in the result one way or the other - they would have had a massively sensational story with either result.

The polygraph tester (and you do the professionals a disservice in suggesting that their tests are "slanted" to suit the paymaster, but that's another story, for those who take the care to research the subject), therefore had no "pressure" to produce results one way or the other.

What could the tester possibly have gained from a "slanted" result?

The "junk science" argument is something of a waste of time and energy, but may I just point out that polygraph tests have been used in the UK for some years to assess whether sex offenders are "safe" for release (and continued liberty), and have now been introduced on a trial basis within certain police forces (to assess whether suspects should be further pursued or not). So, if it's junk, it's junk being relied upon by our prison service and our police forces, sanctioned by our government.

On another note, as someone else, I believe, pointed out, the findings of fingerprint evidence, DNA testing, various forensic processes etc, have all turned out, in some cases, to be "junk science" by individuals using highly selective (and unprofessional) techniques. So perhaps it would be more accurate to say the sciences themselves are sound, the problem lies with the junk scientists who allow themselves to be unduly influenced by their paymasters.

That however, can't be said about the polygraph tester who carried out these tests, as has just been explained.

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Hi Grahame we certainly get um don,t we and they can,t even speak English

susan at least a ken the difference between commas and apostrophes ! is this a young couple or a maw n son?





creepy . n who takes a big wean eatin devil dug tae a grave site? head cases

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funny how luke was "no tall enough to be the witness sighting because he was a short arse n the witness described a guy in there early 20s yet there he is towerin orr his maw and roughly the same height as 2 grown coppers !