The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003

[nugnug]

Shane was absolutely positive he wasn't in the house as he was looking at porn in his bedroom and was listening for anyone coming into the house. It wasn't a big house by any means so it would not have been very difficult to hear someone come in and start messing around in the kitchen as Luke claimed he did.

Bottom line is he has no alibi and was identified by two witnesses near the murder scene. Some minutes later he was seen again by several others further up the road.  The chances of two almost identical youths wearing the exact same clothes being on the same stretch of road at almost the same time is incredibly small.

Mitchell was a troubled child by all accounts who was left to run wild and do more or less whatever he wanted. He was a heavy user of cannabis and had all the paraphernalia in his bedroom for weighing and bagging the drug for resale to other schoolchildren.  The slaying of Jodi wasn't by any means the first time he had threatened a young girl with a hunting knife.

The polygraph test or lie detector is merely a gimmick fit only for daytime TV programmes.  It has no relevance and no legal status.

luke certanly has an albi its not the best albi but its an albi if your innocent you cant choose your albi,

at the end of the day luke had the balls to take the test nobody else invloved in the case.

[gordo30]

Just an educated opinion.

Educated by who! this man John?

I already told him that luke was accompanied by an individual after school and walked with this person to the top of Newbattle road. when this individual was asked in what direction luke was heading he stated that it was towards lukes house. In yet this man is so out of touch with everything going on and even that which has passed he seems to think it better to roll out the same shit to get himself back in the limelight.

[gordo30]

I don't really understand your guys point of view. In one instance this wholehearted stance that Luke committed this crime but then the fact that Shane was put forward seems to have played into your hands that something aint right. Is it possible that the two are wrong as you obviously can't concern yourselve's with the fact that one point negates the other.

[gordo30]

I would take those press reports with a massive pinch of salt.

Was/could Shane have been certain that Luke was not in the house at the given time?

John, what are your thoughts about the lie detector tests that both Luke and his mother passed?
I, myself have always been quite sceptical about such tests, but the fact that they both passed causes me to wonder a little.

I'm not even sure how relevant these tests are now in respect of the case, i do however wonder If johns reasoning regarding the DNA testing should somehow come out as a negative to Lukes innocence? do you believe in DNA testing john?
I am willing to lay everything on the line here regarding it as If any of Lukes DNA is found I am willing to do a john and change my point of view.

[gordo30]

But back to the case, Nugnug - do you think it's strange that SL names LM's brother as a suspect in the SCCRC submission?

What do you think she's trying to do there?

I have had it confirmed that in no way was Shane named as a potential suspect in the application and in no way could anyone know what was in the application so the onus is on you to provide the source or back up your claims in anyway you can otherwise your showing yourself up a bit here.

That is of course unless that this info came from the same person the believed jodi was tied up by a rope!!

[Neil]

I have had it confirmed that in no way was Shane named as a potential suspect in the application and in no way could anyone know what was in the application so the onus is on you to provide the source or back up your claims in anyway you can otherwise your showing yourself up a bit here.

That is of course unless that this info came from the same person the believed jodi was tied up by a rope!!

I suspect that Mat has seen the application, or at least he has been in conversation with someone that has.  I don't believe he would express such views unless he was absolutely certain, it's just not his style.

When are we likely to hear any details, officially, about the application?

[gordo30]

Neil there is no way he could have seen the application and only two people new what was in it, they are either clutching at straws or simply lying and im willing to stand by that all the way.

[nugnug]

and gordo would know.

unlike the rest of us he actually knows the applicant.

[Neil]

Neil there is no way he could have seen the application and only two people new what was in it, they are either clutching at straws or simply lying and im willing to stand by that all the way.

Thanks for that Gordo, I would be very interested to read Mats response to that.

I have previously been left with the impression that Mat has 'contacts' at the CCRC. 

Is the application now complete and if so, has it been presented to the CCRC? Or does it not work quite like that?

[gordo30]

The application has been complete and submitted to the SCCRC a different body to the CCRC for some time, well over a year. Its at a stage where were hoping the DNA testing should be very close to completion and thats why this type of thing becomes rather frustrating. These things can take a very long time once the review is even complete to finally get the findings and reactions to fruition that people should realise the damage their doing in making these types of posts

[guest154]

I suspect that Mat has seen the application, or at least he has been in conversation with someone that has.  I don't believe he would express such views unless he was absolutely certain, it's just not his style.

When are we likely to hear any details, officially, about the application?

Thank - you Neil. I guess I am just guessing correctly.... Again?? 

Neil there is no way he could have seen the application and only two people new what was in it, they are either clutching at straws or simply lying and im willing to stand by that all the way.

I wouldn't try and put words into peoples mouth, Gordo. I didn't say once that I've seen the application - but I've spoken to two seperate people who have. Both of which have said that Shane Mitchell is talked about as a potential alternate suspect. Both these people aren't connected to each other yet have said the same thing - and no I won't be naming either of them.

But in time we'll see who was right, I suggest you go back and check with your sources.

Is the application now complete and if so, has it been presented to the CCRC? Or does it not work quite like that?

Yeah, the SCCRC have it and have sent parts of it out for further tests.

[guest154]

In fact now I think about it. Lithium has also seen the documents (he proved via PM how and that he was VERY aware of what was happening.

And he also claimed that Shane was named in the documents.

So that's three people, not connected and that have never spoken or are even aware of each other that all say the same thing...... and that's good enough for me.

[nugnug]

there not publicly avialeble documents.

[guest154]

there not publicly avialeble documents.

Obviously.

[Neil]

The application has been complete and submitted to the SCCRC a different body to the CCRC for some time, well over a year. Its at a stage where were hoping the DNA testing should be very close to completion and thats why this type of thing becomes rather frustrating. These things can take a very long time once the review is even complete to finally get the findings and reactions to fruition that people should realise the damage their doing in making these types of posts

Thats vey interesting, thanks Gordo.  I guess it's encouraging for Luke that the SCCRC have invested in the re-examination of the DNA evidence.  Who funds the DNA testing? (Sorry about all the questions!)