City of London Police (COLP) serve notices on DS Davidson, and DC Hammersley

[smiffy]

Smiffy, this is possibly the wrong thread, but it IS a genuine question. What is your theory on the sequence of events in the house? Do you think that Sheila started shooting upstairs, with the boys and June, or downstairs, with Ralph?

Would rather stick to hammering Hammersley here...

any discussion on order of shooting should be on another thread as it would get long winded.

[shonapugs]

OK, smiffy. I'll leave it with you.

[smiffy]

CD to WHF  travelling time may be helpful in this case to know how long it would typically travel from one spot to the other.
Davidson claims to speak with DCI Jones at CD about 8.15 am..so if Jones left shortly after (8.20 approx) to arrive at whf at 8.54 am it gives a travelling time of  about 35 minutes.

Davidson is reported as leaving at 2 different times...which is rather odd.
the later one of 8.40 am approx and claiming to arrive at 9.16am gives 36 minutes which ties up nicely with the time it took Jone.

however other accounts have Davidon leave CD at 8.20 am and for a 9.16am arrival this is far too long...
Hammersley claimed to travel with Davidson.
If taken as an 8.20 leaving time we would expect an arrival at about 9.00 am.

Later on in his diary Hammersley gives the same time as Davidson as to leaving WHF as being 12.45 and arrives at CD at 1.35pm...
This journey seems to have taken longer at 50 minutes...

so it seems clear that the travelling time was worked out /known so was thought about and could be applied to false claims to tie up loosed ends for a cover story.
It is Davidson that claims he phoned from his home to Hammersleys home to let him know about the case.
In Davidsons COLP there is a mention of someone's home (not detailed as to who) which was a matter of concern.

Davidson does not seem to state anywhere though that Hammersley actually travelled with him. Use of I and we is not consistent in the COLP version giving grounds to suspect deception as to whether Davidson and Hammersley were together as claimed.

[smiffy]

In the COLP interview Davidson is shown forms purportedly filled in on the 7th of august when at whf gathering and listing evidence.
Davidson admits he filled in the form...which more or less makes it fairly clear he was actually there.
he states "I filled these in, Dave Hammersley is the searcher".

Statement analysis comes into play here...the present tense "is" being used strongly supports this claim to be a deception. Davidson should have used the past tense "was".
This supports the view that Hammersley was not searching at all because he was not there.

oh ,just prior to this Davidson had said he had  found and located the articles and that Hammersley filled the form in...when shown the form he changed his mind as it was in Davidsons writing.
This supports the view that Davidson was both doing the finding of articles and writing them down and covering for the absent Hammersley.

[jon]

Hartley.... (and / or Ann Eaton if she is online at the moment) we have yet another area of mystery and / or missing key information in the case (I've looked at this area before so it is by no means a new to me). If everybody including family and Essex Police had turned up and did their jobs properly and with honest intent we would not have situations where a Police officer is behaving in the way Hammersley did when interviewed. This included making some very strange statements that really need more explanation:

Why (or what possible reason) would:
1) DC Hammersley be VERY EMOTIONAL when interviewed? (makes no sense at all - why why why??)
2) Why would he have TEARS RUNNING DOWN HIS FACE? (bit extreme when explaining a factual situation in a work environment - there must be a pretty serious reason WHY?)
3) Be very keen to have action taken against him STRAIGHT AWAY? (what could be so stressful that it was so painful to wait any longer?)
4) DC Hammersley states that THIS HAS CAUSED THE BREAKDOWN OF MY MARIAGE? (what is he talking about - this sounds so much deeper than something that was all in a days work for a Policeman)
5) DC Hammersley states I DIDN'T DISCOVER IT, I WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT ON TAPE TODAY (it can't wait this has caused him so much pressure, stress and anguish - what could it possibly be?)

This isn't something that is made up by Jeremy Bamber or the pro bamber side nor is it "a play on words" like some people like to claim anything that can't be explained is (if it doesn't fit their JB is guilty stance). This is a factual statement by Essex Police and the contents are very revealing and instantly raise further questions which seem unanswered. What exactly was DC Hammersly referring to when he says "I Didn't Discover It"? It has quite obviously caused him significant distress over a number of years. Hartley as someone who is so sure of JB's guilt does this statement not make you question anything? I can't possibly think of a genuine explanation to this scenario. Can you?

Where is Hammersley now - can he help answer the above.

Could Hartley or Vidvic answer any of these question's ?

[Roch]

Could Hartley or Vidvic answer any of these question's ?

I doubt they would know the answers.  Regarding the 'It'.  Logic suggests that 'it' must have been something that DC Hammersley had been portrayed as having 'found'.  That makes 'it' sound like an exhibit which at one time was attributed to DC Hammersley?  Or somebody has dobbed Hammersley in it as being the finder of an exhibit that was not officially attributed to him?

Alas, ambiguity reigns once more.

[jon]

I doubt they would know the answers.  Regarding the 'It'.  Logic suggests that 'it' must have been something that DC Hammersley had been portrayed as having 'found'.  That makes 'it' sound like an exhibit which at one time was attributed to DC Hammersley?  Or somebody has dobbed Hammersley in it as being the finder of an exhibit that was not officially attributed to him?

Alas, ambiguity reigns once more.

I was thinking more along the line's , that they know ex EP and they have explained it to them since , or to somebody in the family , if they have never asked or been told , they simply could say so !!

If you was one of the family upon reading this , do you not think you would be making inquiries ?

[tyler]

I understand that notices were served on Davidson and Hammersley as an outcome of complaints made from Jeremy to the IPCC. I cannot remember what the nature of the complaints were,but there is information regarding it somewhere.

[Caroline R]

I understand that notices were served on Davidson and Hammersley as an outcome of complaints made from Jeremy to the IPCC. I cannot remember what the nature of the complaints were,but there is information regarding it somewhere.

Who was it who changed part of Colin's statement?

[mike tesko]

Who was it who changed part of Colin's statement?

I think it was DS "Stan" Jones, who changed the wording and meaning of Colin Caffells witness statement...

Could someone please correct me, if I am wrong...

[Caroline R]

Some interesting points regarding DS Davidson, and DC Hammersley here also!

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,988.0.html