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Re: The Pargeter rifle
« Reply #105 on: June 10, 2014, 01:03:AM »
if he took the bolt out when he wasnt using it he must of been rather concerned about someone else using it.

now was this concern paranoid or was it justified.
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« Reply #106 on: June 10, 2014, 01:28:AM »
if he took the bolt out when he wasnt using it he must of been rather concerned about someone else using it.

now was this concern paranoid or was it justified.

Even before the 1989 law that created a statutory obligation to prevent others from using your weapon, there was still civil liability.  If you didn't do enough to keep your weapon from being used by others you could have to pay monetary damages for injuries caused.

So the responsible thing to do if you do leave a weapon somewhere else is to do what he did in tkaing the bolt away or use a trigger lock.  Of course he could have been lying about taking the bolt to try to conceal he was careless but if that were the case why mention it at all?  He could simply have mentioned his shotguns staying and claimed he always took the rifle home no matter what.

A bolt action rifle would have been a crappy weapon to pick for the task of assassinating the family though. You have to have a lot of practice to be able to rapidly fire accurately. Especially if firing from a close distance it can be trouble.  While working the bolt someone can charge you and grab the weapon  A semi-auto is much better because it fires faster. 

A bolt action is better for long range sniper use but not by that much, there are some fine long range semi-auto sniper rifles. A sniper doesn't care about speed of fire though accuracy matters.

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« Reply #107 on: June 10, 2014, 01:34:AM »
I would like to see a copy to see whether it actually stated he had to keep it a his home or not. It could simply be an assumption.

Now you have to because since 1989 you have to keep it out of the hands of others. You have a legal duty to store it in a manner that prevents it from being used by someone else and could potentially be jailed 6 months if you fail to take adequate measures.

One assumes this law was passed gun owners were too lax in where they left their guns through the eyes of the government.  I don't know if some tragedy promted it but many times that is the case.

It was indeed prompted by a tragedy. Thomas Hamilton killed 16 children and a teacher at the local primary school (http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2013/mar/14/dunblane-massacre-scotland-killing). It led to hand guns being banned in the UK and more stringent rules on how rifles and shot guns were kept. There have been recent amendments after Michael Atherton (taxi driver from my home town - Peterlee), murdered his partner, her sister and her sisters daughter - he also tried to shoot his partner's daughter but she escaped. He then shot himself. He had previously threatened to kill himself with a shot gun. However, until recently no checks for mental health issues were considered. (http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/crime/new-year-shootings-mp-praises-grieving-son-s-gun-law-campaign-two-years-on-1-6345227)
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« Reply #108 on: June 10, 2014, 01:45:AM »
It was indeed prompted by a tragedy. Thomas Hamilton killed 16 children and a teacher at the local primary school

You might be right but wrong about the incident.  The law was passed in 1989 so predated that attack.

This attack predated the law and involved someone using a gun owned by his father:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkseaton_shootings

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« Reply #109 on: June 10, 2014, 01:49:AM »
You might be right but wrong about the incident.  The law was passed in 1989 so predated that attack.

This attack predated the law and involved someone using a gun owned by his father:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkseaton_shootings

Hand guns were banned after Dunblane, there were MAJOR changes to gun laws here after that.
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« Reply #110 on: June 10, 2014, 01:54:AM »
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/october/16/newsid_3110000/3110949.stm

Not sure what law you are referring to? Which law was passed in 1989?
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Re: The Pargeter rifle
« Reply #111 on: June 10, 2014, 02:03:AM »
but if was worried about someone misusing his riffel why was he not worried about someone else using his shotguns and clearly wasn't because he left the shotguns there.

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« Reply #112 on: June 10, 2014, 02:20:AM »
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/october/16/newsid_3110000/3110949.stm

Not sure what law you are referring to? Which law was passed in 1989?
Caroline I think the law being referred to is the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988 which was passed in response to the Hungerford massacre in 1987

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« Reply #113 on: June 10, 2014, 02:29:AM »
Caroline I think the law being referred to is the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988 which was passed in response to the Hungerford massacre in 1987

OK, haven't read all the thread but I was just talking about recent stuff. I don't live too far from Monkseaton but don't think that had a huge impact although I must admit, I don't even remember the incident.
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« Reply #114 on: June 10, 2014, 02:40:AM »
OK, haven't read all the thread but I was just talking about recent stuff. I don't live too far from Monkseaton but don't think that had a huge impact although I must admit, I don't even remember the incident.
  The Monkseaton  shootings occurred after the legislation was passed so had no influence on the amendments but, like you, I have no memory of this event.

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« Reply #115 on: June 10, 2014, 03:36:AM »
  The Monkseaton  shootings occurred after the legislation was passed so had no influence on the amendments but, like you, I have no memory of this event.

 I can't see any significance to the Monkseaton shootings (I'll ask my rellies if they remember it) but Hungerford MUST have made some changes!!
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« Reply #116 on: June 10, 2014, 12:57:PM »
did he ever explian why he took it.

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« Reply #117 on: June 10, 2014, 04:59:PM »
here you are nug nug - compare the two statements

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« Reply #118 on: June 10, 2014, 05:00:PM »
second statement 1991

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« Reply #119 on: June 10, 2014, 05:01:PM »
interesting :)