The Pargeter rifle

[gringo]

The only lies are from you.

Taff Jones decided within 2 hours that it was 4 murders and a suicide.  What evidence did he have at the time?  jeremy's claims and the position of the rifle nothing more.

No ballistics evidence to prove whether any were killed by the weapon on Sheila, no forensic evidence to establish Sheila had done a thing.  The position of the body with the rifle on it and Jeremy's claims were all he had at the time and that is what he based his decision on.

  So you conclude that Taff Jones decided it was 4 murders and a suicide  based on Jeremy's claims and the position of the rifle. His presence at the scene and contemporaneous knowledge of the unfolding series of events played no part in his conclusions according to your somewhat flawed reasoning. I suspect that in truth Taff Jones conclusions were based on rather more than what Jeremy told him and the rifle position,yet you can confidently claim otherwise.
        Can you let us all know what everybody else involved was thinking with your remarkable mind reading skills, or are you just guessing really and then passing off your guesses and assumptions as established facts as long as it suits your agenda.
     Taff Jones was there and would be aware of many different pieces of the jigsaw and his conclusions were obviously based on rather more than your simplistic analysis suggests.

[grahameb]

I'm not in the habit of telling lies. How dare you !

Jeremy claimed NOTHING ! He was in no position to know how the deceased were found.That was all left to Jones,,who I said,,made the final decision NOT Jeremy.

Not very knowledgeable are you for an ARMCHAIR " lawyer ?".

You're like Adam.You don't look any further. Which a lawyer would do,,and what's more,,a lawyer wouldn't spend as many hours on a forum either,,so don't try and pull the wool here,,it doesn't work with me.

Don't worry lookout. He's just judging you by what he is himself. Some people do that. All it does is to reveal the dark nature that infests their own minds. I ask you, wouldn't only a psychopath take up the position to condemn a person who is already condemned? And argue a point that has already been won and the public satisfied with the punishment dealt out? Except of course unless there is a doubt in the minds of much of the public that justice has not yet been done. But there are others who must answer for their part in a corruption of probably the worst case of miscarriage of justice of the 20th century? What else but a psychopath would argue in such a way?

[gringo]

How do you know how Jones made up his mind? It was the scene of the crime that caused him and every other officer who went in that place to believe that it was murder and suicide not just because Jeremy said so. Wake up man. Since when have coppers listened to members of the public?


It took weeks of nagging by the relatives and their playing on the weak mind of one of the younger coppers that Taff Jones reluctantly questioned Jeremy in interigation conditions. But Taff Jones never changed his mind up until he died. I believe that if he was alive to take the stand the outcome would have been quite different? You aren't interested in the truth at all.

You just want the blood of Jeremy so you can rub his nose in all the shit others have made up about him. If you were truly interested in justice you would be very much interested in all the inconsistences and altered notebooks and statements of the police and their continued bullish resistence in releasing various documents pertaining to the case. But you are not the least bit interested if there was police corruption or not are you?

Missed your post Grahame otherwise I wouldn't have made the points that you had already made. Scipio isn't interested in the truth, as you say.
     He is operating under the misguided notion that he is some master debater defeating all with what he believes are his superior reasoning skills and knowledge when in truth he cannot even tell the difference between opinion and fact.
     

[lookout]

 Grahame,,I can see right through him and his phoney lawyer spiel. It would have been more to the point if he'd have said he was a brain surgeon,,then I'd have known that he'd studied woodwork !

I have to agree about the psychopath bit.

[grahameb]

Grahame,,I can see right through him and his phoney lawyer spiel. It would have been more to the point if he'd have said he was a brain surgeon,,then I'd have known that he'd studied woodwork !

I have to agree about the psychopath bit.

I think he's a rocket scientist myself.

[nugnug]

im a bit confused about this riffle if he took after the murders how come he wasnt challenged about it.

if he took it before the murders why did he take it.

[lookout]

 Nugs,,that's something we'll never get to know.

[nugnug]

if he took it before the murders was he worried about what someone in the house might do with it.

[lookout]

 Why would he be worried about that,nugs ?

[nugnug]

well you wouldent want someone getting shot with your gun would you.

[lookout]

 It wasn't so much that,nugs,,as it was licensed at the address of WHF,,so there it stayed.  I certainly don't know why it was never licenced at AP's own home address ?

[scipio_usmc]

He said he removed the rifle around about a week before the murders, not after.

And people here suggest he lied and removed it after.

I presented both sides.

If he did remove it before the most likely reason would be the intention to use it elsewhere.  But only he would be able to answer precisely why.

[scipio_usmc]

  So you conclude that Taff Jones decided it was 4 murders and a suicide  based on Jeremy's claims and the position of the rifle. His presence at the scene and contemporaneous knowledge of the unfolding series of events played no part in his conclusions according to your somewhat flawed reasoning. I suspect that in truth Taff Jones conclusions were based on rather more than what Jeremy told him and the rifle position,yet you can confidently claim otherwise.
        Can you let us all know what everybody else involved was thinking with your remarkable mind reading skills, or are you just guessing really and then passing off your guesses and assumptions as established facts as long as it suits your agenda.
     Taff Jones was there and would be aware of many different pieces of the jigsaw and his conclusions were obviously based on rather more than your simplistic analysis suggests.

What other evidence existed as of around 11 AM when Jones made his assessment?

There were Jeremy's claims and the gun being found on Sheila nothing more.

No matter how much you wish there was more evidence there wasn't.  He jumped the gun tremendously and botched the investigation in the process.

[nugnug]

i imagene he based his conclusion on what the raid team and they based it on what they saw with there own eyes.

[scipio_usmc]

i imagene he based his conclusion on what the raid team and they based it on what they saw with there own eyes.

The raid team saw the same thing he did. The location of th ebodies, nothing on SHeila to indicate she had been anywhere near the kitchen and simply a gun lying on her.

Instead of processing the scene like a homicide he assumed the weapon on her was used to kill everyone and that she killed them then herself.

Thus the other weapons and ammunition were not taken, no gun accessories taken and he even destoryed evidence like the bloody sheets etc at Jeremy's request.

He was a first class buffoon and no one can claim any of this was done by him to prejudice Jeremy.