As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?

[Reader]

Since, PC West, and Malcolm Bonnet, were both located at CD, we need to find out, who was stationed or located at CW, and HQIR...

It's conceivable that CD stands for Central Divison or Chelmsford Division (that's just a guess), but I don't know what "CW" means.

Chelmsford police station
New St
Chelmsford
CM1 1NF

Essex Police HQ normally uses a PO Box as its address, but Google finds the following:

HQ Assembly Hall
Essex Police Headquarters
26 Kingston Crescent
Chelmsford
CM2 6DN

These are totally different addresses. Pc West was presumably at the first, whilst Malcolm Bonnett clearly indicates he was in the Information Room at the second.

[mike tesko]

Ann Eaton claimed Jeremy was kept on the line for 11 minutes (but let's say a fair while)

So Jeremy calls West at 2.26
West jots it down, and keeps him on the line
West calls Bonnett and discusses
Bonnett tries to to contact the cars, works out who is best place to attend, and relays the same info again to the CA5 (about the incident)
Bonnett says to West "ok, everything is good to go"
West tells Bamber

Total duration - 5-10 mins (we really don't know for sure).

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If RB called the police at 3:16am, your arguments would still be valid, only the timings would be different, offset by ten minutes, or so...

[mike tesko]

Tell us the problem

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There are two problems...

[TheBrilliantMistake]

List 'em all!

you're just playing for time with "there's A problem" followed by "there are two problems"

The sooner you spit 'em out, the sooner we can hold our hands up and say "yep, you're right" or "Calling planet Mike, come in!!!"

[TheBrilliantMistake]

CD is Chelmsford since West was at CD and states the message received at CD
HQIR (happens to be IN Chelmsford, but it's another building entirely) this is why bonnet says "received a call from PC West at Chelmsford - meaning Chelmsford station)
CW is cooperating Witness - hence West logging 'CW Informed' mean Bamber is told about the car being despatched.

[mike tesko]

List 'em all!

you're just playing for time with "there's A problem" followed by "there are two problems"

The sooner you spit 'em out, the sooner we can hold our hands up and say "yep, you're right" or "Calling planet Mike, come in!!!"

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Very funny, ha ha...

[mike tesko]

First problem - please show me where CA7 was deployed to the scene as a result of JB's call to the police at either 3:36am, or as the case may be, at 3:26am? Why was CA7 deployed before CA5?

[mike tesko]

The police have more than one address in Chelmsford, so you can't be sure that CD stands for Chelmsford.

Ann Eaton did not claim Jeremy was kept on the line for 11 minutes. She wrote that the police took 11 minutes to respond (or similar wording), but I think that was just a miscalculation anyway. There's nothing to suggest that she meant that Jeremy's call took 11 minutes.

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This eleven minute period may be important, but how do we know for sure that this eleven minute period commenced at 3:36am, 3:26am or as the case may be, from 3:16am?

[Reader]

The police have more than one address in Chelmsford, so one can't be sure that CD stands for Chelmsford.

Ann Eaton did not claim Jeremy was kept on the line for 11 minutes. She wrote that the police took 11 minutes to respond (or similar wording), but I think that was just a miscalculation anyway. There's nothing to suggest that she meant that Jeremy's call took 11 minutes.

It's possible that eleven minutes was originally just a rough estimate of how long elapsed between car CA7 being sent and its arrival at Pages Lane.

[Kaldin]

First problem - please show me where CA7 was deployed to the scene as a result of JB's call to the police at either 3:36am, or as the case may be, at 3:26am? Why was CA7 deployed before CA5?

CA7 was sent at 3.35, not 3.36. If CA7 was at Witham and it took only 13 minutes to get to the farm I guess they must have been driving pretty fast.

It's not clear who sent CA5 and where it was at the time.

[TheBrilliantMistake]

Process of elimination with CD = Chelmsford.
It works in every instance I've seen it noted. Not that it really matters... as I stated to Mike... West and Bonnett could be on the same building, it wouldn't make a difference... the exchange of info was via phone...

I must investigate this 11 minute again. It's too specific a number to be right, and Ann Eaton could only know second hand at best.

[mike tesko]

First problem - please show me where CA7 was deployed to the scene as a result of JB's call to the police at either 3:36am, or as the case may be, at 3:26am? Why was CA7 deployed before CA5?

CA7 was sent at 3.35, not 3.36. If CA7 was at Witham and it took only 13 minutes to get to the farm I guess they must have been driving pretty fast.

It's not clear who sent CA5 and where it was at the time.

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According to the contents of PC Wests phone log timed at 3:36am, he does not mention the deployment of CA7 to the scene. what is your explanation?

[Kaldin]

First problem - please show me where CA7 was deployed to the scene as a result of JB's call to the police at either 3:36am, or as the case may be, at 3:26am? Why was CA7 deployed before CA5?

CA7 was sent at 3.35, not 3.36. If CA7 was at Witham and it took only 13 minutes to get to the farm I guess they must have been driving pretty fast.

It's not clear who sent CA5 and where it was at the time.

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According to the contents of PC Wests phone log timed at 3:36am, he does not mention the deployment of CA7 to the scene. what is your explanation?

That's because it was Malcolm Bonnet who sent car CA7.

[Reader]

CW informed means Bamber told

It's purely your guess that CW refers to Jeremy (although CW can be used to mean "cooperating witness", there's no evidence that it means that in this context).

Pc West doesn't mention CA7 explicitly, but does state "CW informed & unit and duty Ps despatched". It's conceivable that CW in that context refers to Witham police station (though that's purely a guess).

[bob]

First problem - please show me where CA7 was deployed to the scene as a result of JB's call to the police at either 3:36am, or as the case may be, at 3:26am? Why was CA7 deployed before CA5?

CA7 was sent at 3.35, not 3.36. If CA7 was at Witham and it took only 13 minutes to get to the farm I guess they must have been driving pretty fast.

It's not clear who sent CA5 and where it was at the time.

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According to the contents of PC Wests phone log timed at 3:36am, he does not mention the deployment of CA7 to the scene. what is your explanation?

That's because it was Malcolm Bonnet who sent car CA7.

Quite so. And wasn't this discussed only earlier today?

No wonder people get confused by the "facts" on this forum.