As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?

[mike tesko]

As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?

Lets look at PC Wests message log, timed at 3:36am:-

[mike tesko]

Well, lets start by mentioning the only time recorded on the log:- (3:36am)

Now, according to PC west, himself, this time (3:36am) was / is inaccurate, yet West describes dispatching CA5 to the scene as a result of receiving Jeremy's call, and surprise, surprise, on Bonnets log (3:26am), he has CA5 being dispatched to the scene at 3:36am, the same time that PC West, dispatched CA5 to the scene?

If the control room clock was ten minutes fast, and PC West received the call from Jeremy at 3:26am, why is it detailed in Malcolm Bonnets phone log, that CA5 was dispatched to the scene at 3:36am, because PC west would have dispatched CA5 to the scene at 3:26am (if the story about the control room clock being ten minutes fast was correct and accurate)?

Why would PC West have CA5 going to the scene at 3:26am, if the clock in the control room was ten minutes fast, and Malcolm Bonnet, who's clock was supposedly accurate, still record for the fact that CA5 was not dispatched to the scene until 3:36am? Either, they both used the same clock as a time reference, or the excuse about the clock in the control room being ten minutes fast is a false one...

in my opinion...

[mike tesko]

Both PC West and Malcolm Bonnet were stationed at the same police station - CD...

They both worked around the time of the control room clock - I do not buy into the suggestion that they referred to different clocks, it does not make sense, and has not been verified - I prefer to believe that there was only one clock, that both referred to, and if it was ten minutes fast, then the timings on both phone logs are ten minutes out of synchronization...

The time that CA5 was dispatched to the scene, 3:36am, on both logs is a telling point, in my opinion - it suggests in the strongest possible terms that both were relying upon the time on the control room clock, not different clocks...

If the clock that PC west was relying upon, was ten minutes faster than the clock that Malcolm Bonnet was relying upon, how come there appears to be a significant contradiction in the timings that CA5 was dispatched to the scene, on both logs (3:36am)?

If the clock in the control room was ten minutes fast, and Bonnet was referring to and relying upon a different clock that told the accurate time, then CA5 would have been dispatched to the scene at 3:26am, or at least 3:26am in Bonnets phone log, and 3:36am, in Pc Wests, adjusted by ten minutes back to 3:26am because of his explanation...

But...

How can Bonnet record for the fact that CA5 was dispatched top the scene at 3:36am?

Here is a copy of Malcolm Bonnets phone log, timed at 3:26am:-

[mike tesko]

Now, if Bonnet got the timings wrong for the dispatch of CA5, by recording that they were sent to the scene at 3:36am, instead of 3:26am, then it must follow that he got the times wrong relating to the dispatch of the other patrol vehicles to the scene, for example, CA7 and CA6, by the same margin of error?

Otherwise, CA5, would have been dispatched to the scene (3:26am), before CA7 which was not dispatched to the scene until 3:35am?

Yet, according to Bonnets log (3:26am) CA7 was dispatched to the scene, before CA5...

Very odd...

[TheBrilliantMistake]

Our theory is:

JB phones West at 3.26 (give or take a minute or so)

West phones Bonnett (keeping Jeremy on the line / hold)
West and Bonnett exchange info and Bonnet contacts the CA5 to go to WHF.
Bonnett tells West "OK, CA5 being sent over to WHF, get JB to meet them at WHF"
West tells JB "ok, everything sorted, we have a car on the way to WHF, please meet them there"

SO... west in his log just states that CA5 was sent - but it wasn't sent by him - Bonnett did that.

[mike tesko]

Our theory is:

JB phones West at 3.26 (give or take a minute or so)

West phones Bonnett (keeping Jeremy on the line / hold)
West and Bonnett exchange info and Bonnet contacts the CA5 to go to WHF.
Bonnett tells West "OK, CA5 being sent over to WHF, get JB to meet them at WHF"
West tells JB "ok, everything sorted, we have a car on the way to WHF, please meet them there"

SO... west in his log just states that CA5 was sent - but it wasn't sent by him - Bonnett did that.

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There is no evidence that PC West recorded anything in his log (3:36am) that was told to him by Malcolm Bonnet - where did you get that information from?

[TheBrilliantMistake]

Our theory is:

JB phones West at 3.26 (give or take a minute or so)

West phones Bonnett (keeping Jeremy on the line / hold)
West and Bonnett exchange info and Bonnet contacts the CA5 to go to WHF.
Bonnett tells West "OK, CA5 being sent over to WHF, get JB to meet them at WHF"
West tells JB "ok, everything sorted, we have a car on the way to WHF, please meet them there"

SO... west in his log just states that CA5 was sent - but it wasn't sent by him - Bonnett did that.

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There is no evidence that PC West recorded anything in his log (3:36am) that was told to hiom by Malcolm Bonnet - where did you get that information from?

Right there in your log:

"HQIR informed" (Bonnett) 
"CW informed" (Bamber)
"CA5 despatched" - (relaying that HQIR have sent a car)

[mike tesko]

Our theory is:

JB phones West at 3.26 (give or take a minute or so)

West phones Bonnett (keeping Jeremy on the line / hold)
West and Bonnett exchange info and Bonnet contacts the CA5 to go to WHF.
Bonnett tells West "OK, CA5 being sent over to WHF, get JB to meet them at WHF"
West tells JB "ok, everything sorted, we have a car on the way to WHF, please meet them there"

SO... west in his log just states that CA5 was sent - but it wasn't sent by him - Bonnett did that.

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There is no evidence that PC West recorded anything in his log (3:36am) that was told to hiom by Malcolm Bonnet - where did you get that information from?

Right there in your log "CW informed" "CA5 despatched"

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Exactly...

Bonnet was at CD, not CW...

Also note, that according to PC Wests log, "HQIR" informed...

[mike tesko]

According to the detail recorded in both Logs, both PC West and Malcolm Bonnet were stationed at CD...

[mike tesko]

Before we go any further, there are things which need to be sorted out:-

(1) CD
(2) HQIR
(3) CW

Now, you need to be telling me where all of these different locations are situated, in relation to each other?

[mike tesko]

I think we have common ground, in that we both or all accept that CA5 was dispatched by CW, not CD, or HQIR...

[TheBrilliantMistake]

CD is chelmsford - where west was
HQIR Is HQ information room where Bonnett was (and is clearly stated in his testimony
CW is cooperating witness (bamber)

[mike tesko]

Since, PC West, and Malcolm Bonnet, were both located at CD, we need to find out, who was stationed or located at CW, and HQIR...

[TheBrilliantMistake]

CW informed means Bamber told

[TheBrilliantMistake]

Since, PC West, and Malcolm Bonnet, were both located at CD, we need to find out, who was stationed or located at CW, and HQIR...

Read Bonnet's testimony, he was at HQIR - whilst west was at Chelmsford