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Offline Patti

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All documents entered as exhibits, in this case exhibit No. 29 are logged and provided to all, they can be put forward as exhibits by either defence or prosecution.

Clearly as the log was put forward as an exhibit, the claims of it being withheld are entirely fictitious. There is no argument to be had.

See previous post from me Hartley...

Why has one not got a sticker on it? Is it different or has it been removed? Just asking... :) :) :)

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See previous post from me Hartley...

Why has one not got a sticker on it? Is it different or has it been removed? Just asking... :) :) :)

They are both copies of the same thing, one is before it was made an exhibit and one is after. I have a feeling you know that though.  :-\

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They are both copies of the same thing, one is before it was made an exhibit and one is after. I have a feeling you know that though.  :-\

I don't remember everything Hartley....but I'd like to see both documents side by side to see if there is any difference in them. I shall look another day eh! Chin up petal  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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I don't remember everything Hartley....but I'd like to see both documents side by side to see if there is any difference in them. I shall look another day eh! Chin up petal  ;D ;D ;D ;D




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Thank you....Mr Grumpy.  :P

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Thank you....Mr Grumpy.  :P

Reading too much in to things Patti, I am not in any way grumpy, just a bit drunk.  :P

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Reading too much in to things Patti, I am not in any way grumpy, just a bit drunk.  :P

On a Sunday night in this heat wave? Mind you I can drink any night of the week now as I don't have to travel to work anymore...So feet on milk tops we must lol  ;)

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Also, just a passing observation. Are the undisclosed logs the one by Bonnett with the Crown Court stamp on it?  ???

Or the one made by West which was handed to him in court?  :-\

Or are you just making it all up?  :P

While at other times he refers to that log as kept from police and evidence of Nevill making a call, at this exact moment he is referencing the radio call logs I believe.

The ones that you summarized very nicely before we were permanantly temporarily banned.

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While at other times he refers to that log as kept from police and evidence of Nevill making a call, at this exact moment he is referencing the radio call logs I believe.

The ones that you summarized very nicely before we were permanantly temporarily banned.

It's one and the same Scip:


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It's one and the same Scip:


jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1192.0.html


It is one of the documents to be sure but he is talking about the whole lot:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,732.msg19630.html#msg19630

Of course he changed the subject after I challenged him to prove his claims and post the signed statements from the raid team that he stated are the real ones and which assert there were 2 bodies in the kitchen.

It is obvious there are no other statements from the raid team with the same date that have alternative acocunts but rather the statements posted here are the real ones.

   
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Lol, yes. Exhibit 29 (or item MJB/1) isn't just the first page of the log, regardless of what is being claimed.  :P

The clue is in Bonnetts statement where he states that he maintained a log until the end of his shift at 5:42, when a relief officer took over his station.

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There are no signed witness statements made by any raid team members dated 7th August 1985, which make nention of only one body downstairs, and the other four bodies of victims, upstairs...
« Last Edit: July 14, 2014, 02:54:PM by mike tesko »
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There are no signed witness statements made by any raid team members dated 7th August 1985, which make nention of only one body downstairs, and the other four bodies of victims, upstairs...

Just to be clear, no signed versions of the unsigned statenents I posted have yet to be posted by anyone...

By posting other examples of signed witness statements bearing different dates and contents to the ones I posted up for cinsideration, is not proof that I have lied about the matter - but the methods adopted by those from the dark side is evidence that they are the true liars in this matter...

Raid team officers refused to put their signatures to the claim that they only came upon one body when they got into the prenises downstairs. They knew that what they were being asked to do was wrong, and that evidence in the form of the police radio message logs which confirm a presence of two bodies upon entry, and live audio recordings obtained via the eavesdrop of the phone in the kitchen at the scene, contradicted what they were being requested to sign in the form of the witness statement contents prepared for them all by the operations manager, who sought to eliminate any reference to the finding of two bodies downstairs by 7.45am...

The log contents are true, the contents of the unsigned witness statememts prepared for all and sundey by the operations manager were false...i
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There are no signed witness statements made by any raid team members dated 7th August 1985, which make nention of only one body downstairs, and the other four bodies of victims, upstairs...

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You claimed there are signed raid statements from 7 August asserting (Confirmed there were two bodies found in kitchen upon entry by contents of contemporaneously recorded police radio message logs) there were 2 bodies in the kitchen and that those statement on this site mentioning only 1 body were written by administators (Correct) and lies so the raid team rejected them (Correct - well repeated)

You have not even produced unsigned statements from 7 August stating there were 2 bodies in the kitchen let alone signed statements. (because there are not even any signed witness statements dated 7th August 1985, making mention of only one body being found upon entry)

You have failed to produce anything at all to indicate there are statements dated 7 August beyond those published on this site. (all of which are unsigned, and to which no signed original contents exist, either, good, good, good)...

I called you out and challenged you to provide these documents, documents from COLP stating these documents exist, documents where the raid team state they refused to sign the statements on this site because they (Edited by owner) were doctored, or a source of some kind for you to establish that this claim comes from someone else

You have been unable to do so. (Clap, Clap, Clap)

You can't produce any documentary source that evidences someone else making the accusations you are making which means you must have come up with it all by yourself.

What basis did you have to make the charge?  What evidence provides you with a basis to make the claim?  None you just made it up by looking at the prior cases and trying to make up things you think   Your unsupported claim that police signed statements saying 2 bodies wer ein the kitchen (Please see the contents of police radio message logs recorded as things were unfolding) doesn't suffice you need to produce reliable evidence such statements exist.  Your unsupported claim that the raid team says the statements on this site were  edited by supervisers so they refused to sign them doesn't suffice you need to produce evidence. 

(parts have been edited out by the owner)...
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Just to be clear, no signed versions of the unsigned statenents I posted have yet to be posted by anyone...

By posting other examples of signed witness statements bearing different dates and contents to the ones I posted up for cinsideration, is not proof that I have lied about the matter - but the methods adopted by those from the dark side is evidence that they are the true liars in this matter...

Raid team officers refused to put their signatures to the claim that they only came upon one body when they got into the prenises downstairs. They knew that what they were being asked to do was wrong, and that evidence in the form of the police radio message logs which confirm a presence of two bodies upon entry, and live audio recordings obtained via the eavesdrop of the phone in the kitchen at the scene, contradicted what they were being requested to sign in the form of the witness statement contents prepared for them all by the operations manager, who sought to eliminate any reference to the finding of two bodies downstairs by 7.45am...

The log contents are true, the contents of the unsigned witness statememts prepared for all and sundey by the operations manager were false...i


Boring.  ::)

People can see all of the statements compiled in this thread http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1119.0.html, about 1 in 20 are signed. It would appear that everybody jumped on the band wagon and started refusing to sign statements.  :o

OR,(edited by owner) , and the statements are simply typed versions of hand written statements prepared for the court.

As mentioned umpteen times, where a typed statement indicates that it is a number of pages long, but appears to consist of fewer pages, it is because the hand written statements usually take up more room on a piece of paper than typed text.

Very strange indeed.  ::)



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