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Offline mike tesko

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Further EVIDENCE that the silencer found at the scene was not brought to the attention of Essex police until 11th September 1985:-

Note, that it clearly states that SOC - "Examine the following for Blood, firbres and fingerprints"...

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(2) -
(3) - SILENCER

Above items forwarded to Lab on 20th September 1985, SC/786/85 refers

Silencer taken to Lab' on 13th August 1985, and sent to Lab' on 30th August 1985, were submitted or taken there under SC/688/85, not SC/786/85 which only applied to the submission of the silencer to the lab' on 20th September 1985...
« Last Edit: June 30, 2014, 11:01:AM by mike tesko »
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The top image refers to the date of the message and does not refer to the date of it's discovery.

The second image is clearly dated in the bottom right corner as being the 13th August 1985.

Third document refers to Oakley collecting the telescopic sight and not the sound moderator.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2014, 10:28:AM by Harters »

Offline mike tesko

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Police photograph of silencer DB/1 inside which key blood evidence (A, EAP BA, AK1 and HP 2-1) was discovered at the lab' at Huntingdon on 11th September 1985:-
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Offline mike tesko

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LETS ENLARGE THE IMAGE:-
« Last Edit: June 30, 2014, 10:41:AM by mike tesko »
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Now, compare the enlarged images of the silencer (DB/1) to the diagram of the silencer taken to the lab' by Ron Cook on 13th August 1985:-

IT AIN'T THE SAME SILENCER:-
« Last Edit: June 30, 2014, 10:45:AM by mike tesko »
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Silencer sent to Lab' on 20th September was not checked until 26th September 1985:-
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Offline mike tesko

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Look at this:-

Ann Eaton hands exhibits over to police on the 11th September 1985,  all of which are originally given exhibit references bearing the initials of AE, but why is it that these items were labelled AE/2, AE/3 and AE/4, which later got changed into exhibit references bearing the initials of CAE, but yet again, why is there only disclosure of what items CAE/2, CAE/3 and CAE/4, were?

What item was AE/1, aka CAE/1...

ANSWER - Silencer...
« Last Edit: June 30, 2014, 11:34:AM by mike tesko »
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Offline mike tesko

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Where did Essex police obtain the other silencer from in time for SOC DS Davidson and DS Eastwood to be able to fingerprint it on 13th September 1985, and to be able to submit it along to the lab' by 20th September 1985?

It couldn't have been the same silencer already at the lab' from as long ago as 30th August 1985...
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Offline mike tesko

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Look at the two diagrams drawn up on the Lab' records - they are not the same silencer at all:-
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Offline mike tesko

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Neither of these two silencers, are the one police photographed as "THE SILENCER":-

So, we have THREE DIFFERENT SILENCERS, but only two signed exhibit LABELS:-
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Where is the SBJ/1 signed exhibit label?
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Offline mike tesko

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Three different silencers, (a) one found at the scene on 7th August 1985, by DS Jones, another (b) which belonged to a member of the raid team, and yet another (c) found by relatives at the scene on 10th August 1985...
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The tamperings with these different silencers! Where police sought to merge all three into the same one provides a big clue to suggest there wasn't a silencer fitted to the rifle barrel when the fatal shot was inflicted, and that when a thorough cleaning of the end of the gun barrel is carried out, Sheila Caffells blood and dna will be detected there confirming this...
« Last Edit: June 30, 2014, 03:56:PM by mike tesko »
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Police photograph of silencer DB/1 inside which key blood evidence (A, EAP BA, AK1 and HP 2-1) was discovered at the lab' at Huntingdon on 11th September 1985:-

That's not a photo of DB/1.  You seem to just grab photos not care what they are of and pretend they are something that suits your claims.

Worse you play games with dates to pretend that when documents were filled out it means that is when things were found or handed over.

You have not been able to demonstrate that a moderator was collected by anyone on 8/7/95 let alone by Stanley Jones.  You have provided no evidentiary basis at all for such statement.  All you provided is an allegation that Stanley Jones snuck back to WHF at night to collect the moderator and that this moderator was labeled either SJ/1 or SBJ/1 (you made the claim it was SJ/1 initially but now seem to be maintaining SBJ/1). The moderator found by Boutflour you currently suggest was SJ/1 though you previously admitted it was SBJ/1 which is what all testimony and available documentary evidence suggest.

So on top of possessing no evidence at all of another moderator being collected from WHF on the day of the murders or at any other time, worse you currently call it SBJ/1 though there is considerable evident that proves the moderator found by Boutflour was SBJ/1. You are not following the evidence but rather making up what you feel like in spite of the evidence.

If you are intent on making things up you should at least do so in a manner that doesn't open it up to attack by being totally contradicted by evidence that COLP went through thoroughly.  Make up that someone found it who actually could have been in a position to find it and make up a prefix that was never used.  You still won't have any evidence to back your claims but at least it won't be contradicted by known evidence.

You showed you are capable of such because you did it with June.  You decided to use the opportunity created by June not being tested for GSR, elevated lead levels and foreign blood to argue she is the one loaded the gun, beat Nevill and shot Nevill and the boys.  You recognized that while you lacked proof she did these things peopel could not disprove them.

Instead of looking for the same kinds of opportunities to exploit you seem intent on making claims about the moderator that are at odds with the evidence just like your claim Sheila's second shot was fired hours later is at odds with the evidence.

These actions result in you totally losing credibility and by implication seem to hurt Jeremy as well. You made a very interesting comment about not even Jeremy being able to stop you which suggests you have been making some claims against his wishes.  I can't help but wonder what he disagreed with so far as claims and posts you have made.   


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There is no evidence to support any claim that there is no evidence...

What a load of bollocks you keep talking about...

Here is silencer, DB/1:-
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