The last ultimate test of gun, to prove sound moderator was not used in shooting

[grahameb]

Craig didn't look under her chin for a wound, he stated he made sure they were dead and did a cursory look at the bodies.

He would have found the wound had he bothered to do an intensive search because both shots were fired only seconds apart.

You claim he was so inept that he didn't relaize she was still alive but he definitely would have foudn a second shot had it been there.  If he is too inept to tell if she was dead then he would certianly be inept enough to miss a second shot especially in light of missing the multiple shots all the others received which is the natural argument that must follow since he noticed only 1 wound on each. 

But it is not credible that he was too inept to tell she was still alive and while you have no evidence to support your claims that police fired both shots into her period, since the shots were delivered only seconds apart your claims that the second was delivered hours after the first are especially ludicrous.  You would be better off alleging police fired both shots into her seconds apart because at least the evidence that proves both were fired in close succession would not be contradicted by your allegation.

 

Dr. Craig was my doctor. He was an alcoholic and in my estimation was not a very good doctor. I could site several misdiagnosis's but I won't. Sufficient to say he could be inept sometimes.

[scipio_usmc]

Excuse me scipio, but Scott Lomax is not a liar. I know him to be an honest man and a very good investigator. You cannot go bandying around such things without knowing the person and just because they have written something that you choose not to agree with.

As for you stating that there is no evidence that she ate something later than any of the others Iam afraid I must disagree with you on that as well. Why? Well because none of the others, that is 4 out of five of the victims had anything in their stomach. Sheila was the only one that had undigested food in her stomach. That to my mind is a fairly good indication that she ate something after the other 4.

People digest food at different rates and medication liek she is taking has an impact on that it could slow down her digestion.  She also could be like my mother and be a slow eater and end up finishing dinner 10-20 minutes later than everyone else.

The fact their stomachs fully cleared the food while her stomach did not is not sicentific proof she had to have eaten later than anyone else.

EVEN WORSE though, if she died at 3:30 AM it means she could have eaten her last meal anytime from 9:30PM-1:30AM.  If she died 3AM it means she could have eaten anytime from 9PM-1AM.  If she died 2:30AM then she could have eaten anytime from 9PM-1AM. 

Theses times all put her at around the time they finished up with dinner suppoedly and she could have had a dessert while others might not have.

In no event does this support Lookout's claim that this proves she ate after the others were dead.  It doesn't prove that at all.  Nor does it support the claims of those who suggest she was eating in the kitchen and then Nevill went down at 3AM and found her there eating because she ate at least 2 hours before she died not right before she died.

Jeremy's claim is that she was still at the dinner table eating when he allegedly loaded the magazine  while the twins seme to have already been in bed. That meal she supposedly was eating could easily account for the food found in her stomach.  There is no need for her to have eaten at 11 or 12 though she could have.  Whether she did or not there is no way to know because the food she supposedly was eating woud be able to account for it but she could have eaten more sometime later but at least 2 hours before she died.

The kitchen was in no state for food to be eaten after it was thrashed from the struggle Nevill had nor is there any evidence of food being eaten after that.  There is no evidence Sheila died significantly later than anyone else and indeed evidence someone else killed her and that it occurred before police arrived on the scene.  All indications are that Nevill and eveyrone else were dead by 3AM so in all probability she ate her last meal anywhere from 9PM-1AM. 

As for Lomax, he presents a plarge number of distortions including the one I mentioned.  He twisted to try to pretend Jeremy is innocent. 

[grahameb]

People digest food at different rates and medication liek she is taking has an impact on that it could slow down her digestion.  She also could be like my mother and be a slow eater and end up finishing dinner 10-20 minutes later than everyone else.

The fact their stomachs fully cleared the food while her stomach did not is not sicentific proof she had to have eaten later than anyone else.

EVEN WORSE though, if she died at 3:30 AM it means she could have eaten her last meal anytime from 9:30PM-1:30AM.  If she died 3AM it means she could have eaten anytime from 9PM-1AM.  If she died 2:30AM then she could have eaten anytime from 9PM-1AM. 

Theses times all put her at around the time they finished up with dinner suppoedly and she could have had a dessert while others might not have.

In no event does this support Lookout's claim that this proves she ate after the others were dead.  It doesn't prove that at all.  Nor does it support the claims of those who suggest she was eating in the kitchen and then Nevill went down at 3AM and found her there eating because she ate at least 2 hours before she died not right before she died.

Jeremy's claim is that she was still at the dinner table eating when he allegedly loaded the magazine  while the twins seme to have already been in bed. That meal she supposedly was eating could easily account for the food found in her stomach.  There is no need for her to have eaten at 11 or 12 though she could have.  Whether she did or not there is no way to know because the food she supposedly was eating woud be able to account for it but she could have eaten more sometime later but at least 2 hours before she died.

The kitchen was in no state for food to be eaten after it was thrashed from the struggle Nevill had nor is there any evidence of food being eaten after that.  There is no evidence Sheila died significantly later than anyone else and indeed evidence someone else killed her and that it occurred before police arrived on the scene.  All indications are that Nevill and eveyrone else were dead by 3AM so in all probability she ate her last meal anywhere from 9PM-1AM. 

As for Lomax, he presents a plarge number of distortions including the one I mentioned.  He twisted to try to pretend Jeremy is innocent.

Scipio it is quite reasonable to suggest that she ate after the others. In fact it is a 4 to1 probability that she did. You may not agree with that. But to anyone with common sense that is how it looks to them including Scott Lomax. It is a logical deduction and is not "twisting" anything. In fact if you deny that fact it looks rather as if you are straining to make the facts agree with you. But it certainly is not the logical conclusion to come to.

[scipio_usmc]

Scipio it is quite reasonable to suggest that she ate after the others. In fact it is a 4 to1 probability that she did. You may not agree with that. But to anyone with common sense that is how it looks to them including Scott Lomax. It is a logical deduction and is not "twisting" anything. In fact if you deny that fact it looks rather as if you are straining to make the facts agree with you. But it certainly is not the logical conclusion to come to.

Jeremy's own claims are that she was still at the dinner table which suggests she was still eating when others were not.

That alone suggests she ate later than them but not in the sense people try to suggest of her eating right before or right after the murders which there is nothing at all to suggest occurred. 

It is stretching to pretend the food evidence suggests she ate in the middle of the night let alone that it suggests she ate after the murders as lookout keeps trying to pretend.

Saying that food she ate between 9 and 9:30 could still likely be in her stomach if she died prior to 3:30 is not a stretch at all. 

Saying the food merely proves she ate 2-6 hours before she died is not a strestch but rather accurate.

The people twisting are the ones trying to use this to prove she died later than anyone else or ate after the others were dead.  This evidence doesn't prove such in the least.

The bottom line is that the last meal Jeremy depicted her having could account for the food found.  She could have left the table and eaten a snack later as late as 2 hours before she died.  There is no way to know which is the case.

[mike tesko]

You cannot be in any doubt whatsoever, whether you are an Essex police officer, a police surgeon or a deluded crank like many of the Bamber is guilty contingent are, that Sheila has two clearly marked bullet wounds on her neck with fresh blood in evidence streaming from them at 10 O'clock that morning, how could Craig and Miller not see these two bullet holes gaping at them at 8.44am:-

[scipio_usmc]

You cannot be in any doubt whatsoever, whether you are an Essex police officer, a police surgeon or a deluded crank like many of the Bamber is guilty contingent are, that Sheila has two clearly marked bullet wounds on her neck with fresh blood in evidence streaming from them at 10 O'clock that morning, how could Craig and Miller not see these two bullet holes gaping at them at 8.44am:-

It is easy to see how someone looking at her from the vantage point of standing up above her would instantly see the neck wound and how someone not bothering to document all wounds but wanting to confirm each had a likely fatal gunshot wound would mention only one.  Again you are completely ignoring he recounted 1 to each victim yet are not insisting each victim was delivered the other shots after he left.

Worse you are ignoring it is impossible for the second shot to have been delivered hours after the first because she would have bled out.

[mike tesko]

She did bleed out of the first lower across the neck bullet wound, open them things in your head that are called eyes, surely even someone like you who professes to be blind can spot the vertical flow of blood from the first shot that is not replicated in the second shot:-

Blood from the lower across the neck shot not only ran down her body in a vertical fashion, but it also dried different upon the collar of her nightdress - you can clearly tell the difference between old dried blood on the victims collar, and fresh looking blood adjacent to it on the same collar, these differences in the state of blood on her face, neck and the collar of her nightdress indicate a significant delay between the timing of the first shot across the neck, and the second shot beneath the chin...

Stop acting daft, here look again, I'll even provide the yellow line markers to show you the direction the blood from both bullet wounds to the neck ran:-

[scipio_usmc]

She did bleed out of the first lower across the neck bullet wound, open them things in your head that are called eyes, surely even someone like you who professes to be blind can spot the vertical flow of blood from the first shot that is not replicated in the second shot:-

Blood from the lower across the neck shot not only ran down her body in a vertical fashion, but it also dried different upon the collar of her nightdress - you can clearly tell the difference between old dried blood on the victims collar, and fresh looking blood adjacent to it on the same collar, these differences in the state of blood on her face, neck and the collar of her nightdress indicate a significant delay between the timing of the first shot across the neck, and the second shot beneath the chin...

Stop acting daft, here look again, I'll even provide the yellow line markers to show you the direction the blood from both bullet wounds to the neck ran:-

"Bleed out" means to die from loss of blood.  Her first wound would have resulted in most of her blood leaving her body which would have resulted in a far larger mess unless an intervening event occurred.  The whole reason the coroner knows the second shot was fired within seconds of the first shot is because the substantial flood of blood flowing out stopped and it stopped because her heart stopped beating from the second shot.  The second shot is the intervening event that prevented far more loss of blood and her bleeding out from that first wound.

This point was uncontested at trail and hasn't been contested to this day by Jeremy's lawyers because they have no ability to do so.

Therefore if you want to make up a claim about police shooting her you need to make up the claim they shot her 2 times seconds apart.

[mike tesko]

In any event, the police surgeon was shown this photograph by Ewen Smith and asked if Sheila's neck looked like this when he viewed her on the far side of the bed and pronounced her as being dead at 8.44am, and he told Ewen that there was only one bullet wound there at that time, and none of the fresh looking blood shown in the image produced on that day for him to comment upon. When Ewen Smith asked Craig how that second bullet wound had got to be there on Sheila's neck, with all that additional blood, the police surgeon said that the second bullet wound must have been inflicted after he viewed Sheila's body at 8.44am, and all the blood visible in the photograph taken at 10 O'clock that morning must have run out across her face and neck once the second shot under the chin was administered...

When Ewen asked Dr Craig who he thought could have been responsible for inflicting the second fatal shot under the chin, the police surgeon simply could not speak for several moments before shrugging his shoulders and his eyes filling up with tears. It was with some reluctance that Ewen then pressed Dr Craig as to the presence or otherwise of the bloodied fingermarks around the second fatal bullet entry wound under Sheila's chin, he asked the police surgeon, "Did you see those bloodied fingermarks on Sheila's neck at 8.44am when you pronounced her as being dead", and once again the police surgeon became upset, without being able to speak, but shaking his head from side to side...

Later in the week when I met Ewen Smith in his office at Birmingham he relayed these events to me, as I have published them here...

How can anyone doubt that at 8.44am on morning of 7th August 1985, that there was more than one bullet entry wound on Sheila's neck?

[mike tesko]

Sheila didn't die from the first shot inflicted upon her downstairs in the kitchen, expert opinion confirms what I am saying is true, she was only stunned into unconsciousness upon the shot being inflicted, so in the terms being described elsewhere, she did not bleed out as it has been put, because at that stage she did not die...

She did bleed from the original across the neck shot, fell to the kitchen floor into a  temporary unconsciousness. Blood which had started to leak vertically as soon as she was shot in an upright position, changed direction once she fell onto the kitchen floor. this blood pooled on the kitchen floor beneath her body and stained the rear of her nightdress...

Much later, with a fully / partially conscious Sheila upstairs in the bedroom, and her body ending up restaged on the bedroom floor by police, with two bullet holes now in her neck, and fresh, wet looking blood running, pouring and leaking from the second shot under the chin, it is somewhat unfathomable to discover that none of the bloodstain present on the rear of her nightdress, was replicated anywhere at all on the rug / carpet beneath where police took that key photographed at around 10 O'clock that morning...

This begs the question, how did the blood get onto the reverse side of Sheila Caffells nightdress, yet not one spot of it get onto the rug / carpet upon which she was supposedly found, since according to the evidence, only a few spots of June Bambers blood was discovered to be present on the carpet under Sheila's body - please explain in as much gobbledegook nonsense as you can invent, exactly how this could be true and real...

[mike tesko]

What we find, when a deeper analysis is undertaken of the known facts, is that the blood staining on the reverse of Sheila Caffells nightdress, was either her own blood, or the blood of one of the other adult victims, such as blood from June Bamber, or blood from Ralph Bamber - whoever it belonged to, it did not replicate itself on the rug / carpet beneath where her body was photographed by police at around 10 O'clock that morning, this was because the bloodstaining on the reverse of Sheila's nightdress was dry by the time whoever restaged her body from the bed to the floor rucked up the rear of her nightdress to prevent transfer of the blood on the reverse of the nightdress in question becoming deposited on the rug / carpet beneath her body at that stage...

[mike tesko]

Sheila's body as photographed on the bedroom floor by police at around 10 O'clock, was not as a result of someone dragging her by the feet from an upright position of say sitting up with her back against the bedside cabinet, which caused the hem of her nightdress to ruck up, as it has been described, but rather her body was lifted from the bed to the floor by police, and her nightdress at the rear deliberately pulled upwards against her back to try and prevent transfer of what was potentially blood from one of the other victims elsewhere at the scene...

my bet is that the blood on the reverse of Sheila's nightdress is blood which originated from June Bamber at a time when both Sheila and June Bamber were found side by side on the bed around the time Sheila received the second shot that killed her...

[scipio_usmc]

Sheila didn't die from the first shot inflicted upon her downstairs in the kitchen, expert opinion confirms what I am saying is true, she was only stunned into unconsciousness upon the shot being inflicted, so in the terms being described elsewhere, she did not bleed out as it has been put, because at that stage she did not die...

There is no evidence at all that she was shot in the kitchen

She did bleed from the original across the neck shot, fell to the kitchen floor into a  temporary unconsciousness. Blood which had started to leak vertically as soon as she was shot in an upright position, changed direction once she fell onto the kitchen floor. this blood pooled on the kitchen floor beneath her body and stained the rear of her nightdress...

The blood would have flowed down onto the floor.  It didn't if flowed down her shoulder and neck (what you call trail A is from when she was seated) tha tpredated the blood that went down the side of her neck which was later.  So you have things backwards.  Moreover, there is no evidence at all of any blood pool from her period in the kitchen her blood pool is in the master bedroom.

The first shot would have been fatal and caused her to bleed out in the kitchen if the second was not delivered until a long time after. 

Much later, with a fully / partially conscious Sheila upstairs in the bedroom, and her body ending up restaged on the bedroom floor by police, with two bullet holes now in her neck, and fresh, wet looking blood running, pouring and leaking from the second shot under the chin, it is somewhat unfathomable to discover that none of the bloodstain present on the rear of her nightdress, was replicated anywhere at all on the rug / carpet beneath where police took that key photographed at around 10 O'clock that morning...

Sheila would have died in the kitchen from bleeding out had the first shot been delivered there and the second one not been delivered until hours later.

This begs the question, how did the blood get onto the reverse side of Sheila Caffells nightdress, yet not one spot of it get onto the rug / carpet upon which she was supposedly found, since according to the evidence, only a few spots of June Bambers blood was discovered to be present on the carpet under Sheila's body - please explain in as much gobbledegook nonsense as you can invent, exactly how this could be true and real...

Jeremy had a rifle that was full of blood spatter that was dripping off and had such spatter on himself as well. If your claim is true that there were drips of June's blood found on that side of the bed it is explained in that manner Jeremy transferred it there as it dripped from him or the weapon.  but you make so many other false claims I want to see evidence before I will start suggesting her blood was found there.  Her blood was found on various pieces of carpet ripped out but no court or reputable source has explained in detial where each of the 5 came from. 

Jeremy pulling her dress down with his bloody gloves proves an easy enough explanation as to how blood could get on her butt though the rug could have had it as she was dragged as well.

If you want to try to fool more people you really need to stop with the kitchen nonsense and claim police shot her 2 times several seconds apart then pulled her flat.  That lie will get you further than this kitchen stuff and saying she was shot hours apart. 

[mike tesko]

Exactly, how did the bloodstain which was present on the reverse of Sheila's nightdress, which could only have got there when she was laid out flat on the bed or the floor either in the kitchen, or the bedroom, not get replicated on the rug / carpet beneath where police photographed her body at around 10 O'clock that morning on the bedroom floor?

Only a few spots of June Bambers blood was found on the rug / carpet benath Sheila's body, so what is your explanation for this feature?

[mike tesko]

Who disturbed Sheila Caffells body so that bloodstains on the front of her nightdress changed shape and configuration:-