The last ultimate test of gun, to prove sound moderator was not used in shooting

[mike tesko]

I remember as we strolled through "Potters Wood", near where I live in Barnsley how we had all three of us had eventually been sitting in the shade of the trees, on a wooden bench discussing these matters over a cup of coffee brought along for the occasion in a large flask and three plastic cups..

One of my friends said, "What puzzles me", he said, "is why did Ron believe that Stan had found the silencer, that Ron took along to the Lab' on the 13th August 1985", he asked us...

Says I, "What do you mean", I said, "What point are you trying to make"...

We supped our coffee, before he continued, "Ron", says he, "Goes along to the Lab' on 13th August, right"...

"Yeh", I says...

He continues, "and he has got the silencer from Stan", he said, "the one Stan says he got from Peter Eaton the day before", says he, "Yeh", says I, He goes on, "So why didn't Stan tell Ron that he got the silencer he is giving him, from the relatives who found it at the scene after police gave the family the keys to the farmhouse back on evening of 9th August", he inquires of us...

"Why did Ron assume that Stan had found that silencer", he says, "if the relatives gave it to him, and they found it, not Stan", he said...

[mike tesko]

I remember as we strolled through "Potters Wood", near where I live in Barnsley how we had all three of us had eventually been sitting in the shade of the trees, on a wooden bench discussing these matters over a cup of coffee brought along for the occasion in a large flask and three plastic cups..

One of my friends said, "What puzzles me", he said, "is why did Ron believe that Stan had found the silencer, that Ron took along to the Lab' on the 13th August 1985", he asked us...

Says I, "What do you mean", I said, "What point are you trying to make"...

We supped our coffee, before he continued, "Ron", says he, "Goes along to the Lab' on 13th August, right"...

"Yeh", I says...

He continues, "and he has got the silencer from Stan", he said, "the one Stan says he got from Peter Eaton the day before", says he, "Yeh", says I, He goes on, "So why didn't Stan tell Ron that he got the silencer he is giving him, from the relatives who found it at the scene after police gave the family the keys to the farmhouse back on evening of 9th August", he inquires of us...

"Why did Ron assume that Stan had found that silencer", he says, "if the relatives gave it to him, and they found it, not Stan", he said...

"And your point is", I asks him...

[scipio_usmc]

I remember as we strolled through "Potters Wood", near where I live in Barnsley how we had all three of us had eventually been sitting in the shade of the trees, on a wooden bench discussing these matters over a cup of coffee brought along for the occasion in a large flask and three plastic cups..

One of my friends said, "What puzzles me", he said, "is why did Ron believe that Stan had found the silencer, that Ron took along to the Lab' on the 13th August 1985", he asked us...

Says I, "What do you mean", I said, "What point are you trying to make"...

We supped our coffee, before he continued, "Ron", says he, "Goes along to the Lab' on 13th August, right"...

"Yeh", I says...

He continues, "and he has got the silencer from Stan", he said, "the one Stan says he got from Peter Eaton the day before", says he, "Yeh", says I, He goes on, "So why didn't Stan tell Ron that he got the silencer he is giving him, from the relatives who found it at the scene after police gave the family the keys to the farmhouse back on evening of 9th August", he inquires of us...

"Why did Ron assume that Stan had found that silencer", he says, "if the relatives gave it to him, and they found it, not Stan", he said...

It was the job of Stanley Jones to pass it off to Cook (so Cook could transfer them to the lab along with the other items) and he did so.  He didn't have any need to provide a detailed explanation to Cook about how each was discovered and collected. 

 

[mike tesko]

"And your point is", I asks him...

Says he, "Ron", he says, "told COLP during interview that he thought the silencer Stan had given him was the one Stan had taken from the scene on the morning of the shootings", he told us...

"You mean", I says, "one of the four exhibits Stan took at or from the scene on the first morning of the investigation", I prompts him...

"Exactly", he says, "that is why Ron told COLP the reason for attaching an exhibit label with the initials and corresponding number of SJ/1 to it", he said, "which both he and Howard signed in positions two and three", said he, "Ron told COLP under caution that he thought it was the silencer Stan had found at the scene on that first morning as part of a batch of four exhibits Stan had taken whilst Ron himself was in charge of the crime scene", he told us...

Says I, "The SBJ/1  silencer", I puts in...

"Yes", says he, "Ron told COLP that he thought that the silencer Stan had given him to take to the lab on 13th August was that silencer", he says, "and this was the reason why Ron put an exhibit label upon it at the lab, and marked it SJ/1", he says...

"Not SBJ/1", I said...

"No, not SBJ/1, but SJ/1", says he...

[mike tesko]

I asks him, "but why did Ron mark the exhibit label SJ/1, instead of SBJ/1", says I...

Responding he cuts in, "because Ron did not know that Stan had a middle Christian name of Brian", he told me, "He thought Stan was the only Christian name Stan had", he says, "so he marks the new label he attaches to that silencer", he told us, "the one Stan gave to him on 13th August, with the initials SJ, and the exhibit number 1, SJ/1", said he...

[mike tesko]

I asks him, "but why did Ron mark the exhibit label SJ/1, instead of SBJ/1", says I...

Responding he cuts in, "because Ron did not know that Stan had a middle Christian name of Brian", he told me, "He thought Stan was the only Christian name Stan had", he says, "so he marks the new label he attaches to that silencer", he told us, "the one Stan gave to him on 13th August, with the initials SJ, and the exhibit number 1, SJ/1", said he...

"As well as attaching a brown coloured exhibit label to that silencer", he goes on, "Ron later attached a piece of paper to the same silencer upon which he wrote the identifying mark of SJ/1", he told us...

[mike tesko]

"Why did he do that", I asks him, "and when"...

Says he, "he did this later on after returning with silencer SJ/1 back to the police station and discovering that police now had two different silencers from the scene in their possession", he told us...

"Two different silencers in police possession at that time", I mused...

"Yes", he said, "two completely different silencers in police possession from 12th August, onward", he told us, "the one Stan took from the scene as part of a batch of four collective exhibits on the first morning of the investigation" he told us "7th August", says he, "and the second one Stan was given by a relative on 12th August, which Ron took to show Glynis Howard on 13th August", said he...

"Two different silencers", I said...

"Yes", he said, "two completely different ones", says he, "and Ron stuck a piece of white paper with the initials SJ and the number 1 upon the barrel of the silencer to distinguish one of these silencers from the other"...

[mike tesko]

Says me, "I wonder if the stories we've been hearing over the years about one of the silencers being kept on Taff Jones desk and him using it as a paper weight has any truth in it"...

He chirps in, "Oh" he says, "almost certainly, not much doubt about about that, Mike", he says...

[grahameb]

My apologies Mike. But this is beginning to sound like an episode of Last of the Summer Wine?

[lookout]

 Grahame that's just how EP performed. Like the two officers in the series. A joke !

[mike tesko]

Says me, "I wonder if the stories we've been hearing over the years about one of the silencers being kept on Taff Jones desk and him using it as a paper weight has any truth in it"...

He chirps in, "Oh" he says, "almost certainly, mot much doubt about about that, Mike", he says...

We sat there on the wooden bench, where some of our other meetings had taken place on other occasions, many such occasions being just me and another, but on at least three recent occasions five members of our forum who are all "CYCLOPS" reviewers met in this same wood, just off junction 36 of the M1 near Barnsley, Potters wood just off to the side of the A61 Barnsley to Sheffield road...

we sipped coffee from the flask and welcomed the shade afforded to us by the leaf filled branches which protected us from scorching sunlight. We listened to the occasional bird songs which often became drowned out by traffic passing nearby on the busy A61...

One of my colleagues then said, "Has anyone ever wondered", he said, "why Stan was able to take or seize up to four different exhibits from the scene on that first morning", says he, "when he was not an appointed or trained SOCO", he asks us...

"Thats odd", says the other, "why did Ron Cook allow him to return to the scene", says he, "enter the scene and take a photograph in the downstairs toilet", he goes on, "take possession of a silencer, and two other items from the main Kitchen", he says, "from right under the noses of Ron Cook and the other SOCO's", he puts it to us...

[mike tesko]

"I wonder", says I, "I wonder if"...

[mike tesko]

"Mike", says one of my companions, "are you thinking what I'm thinking", he says...

"Well", I says, "I was just about to mention the possibility that Stan Jones could have been sent back to the scene on instruction of a senior officer to take that photograph", I said, "and to seize the silencer and the other two exhibits", says I, "sent there to do these things on behalf of Special Branch", I says, " hence, why SOCO turned a blind eye to his presence there on that first morning, during his second visit to the scene", I volunteers...

[maggie]

Sorry to interrupt Mike but d'you know where Brett Collin's police interview notes are posted.  I know you did post them up but I can't find them anywhere.  With thanks 

[Jan]

"Why did he do that", I asks him, "and when"...

Says he, "he did this later on after returning with silencer SJ/1 back to the police station and discovering that police now had two different silencers from the scene in their possession", he told us...

"Two different silencers in police possession at that time", I mused...

"Yes", he said, "two completely different silencers in police possession from 12th August, onward", he told us, "the one Stan took from the scene as part of a batch of four collective exhibits on the first morning of the investigation" he told us "7th August", says he, "and the second one Stan was given by a relative on 12th August, which Ron took to show Glynis Howard on 13th August", said he...

"Two different silencers", I said...

"Yes", he said, "two completely different ones", says he, "and Ron stuck a piece of white paper with the initials SJ and the number 1 upon the barrel of the silencer to distinguish one of these silencers from the other"...

But Mike that does not tie up with the document that say the relatives reported the silencer on 10th Sept ? Or explain why Anne Eaton did not mention the silencer in her August statement ( after they were supposed to have handed it in?