Jury, given ultimatum, it was either Sheila, or Jeremy - gaff...

[lookout]

 Meaning that they're 100% when someone lies,,as it's detected,,particularly if there's a certain uncomfortable question.

[mike tesko]

Special branch are in the game of protection - so who were they protecting at the time of the the shootings? And hey, who did they shoot not once, but twice? Yep, they shot one of the targets they were supposed to have been protecting.

The original investigation was Special branch orientated, they manipulated the exhibits - without moving 4 bullet cases into the main bedroom scenario increasing. capacity from 9 to 13, they could never have hoped to get away with convicting Jeremy for the murders. These were murders, but none committed by Jeremy.  The real murderers in sequential order were / are:-

June Bamber
Sheila Caffell
DS WOODCOCK...

Amen.

[scipio_usmc]

Lights within the farmhouse were also going on and off too which suggested that someone was still alive. Why wasn't that noticed ? Or was everyone too busy running away from the moons' reflections ?

Another made up claim.

 

[lookout]

Another made up claim.

Just because I'm probably right,,you tell me I'm making things up ? So what are your claims if they're not made up ? Hard facts,are they ? Unless you were there personally overseeing the case ?
The trouble is that a lot of these supposed " made-up " claims,,which in real terms were originally right,,have been contradicted to such an extent to fit in with other agendas,that they appear,in your eyes,and those of a lot of others,,,to be wrong.

[Jane]

Special branch are in the game of protection - so who were they protecting at zhe time of the the shootings? And hey, who did they shoot not once, but twice? Yep, they shot one of the targets they were supposed to have been protecting.

The original investigation was Special branch orientated, they manipulated the exhibits - without moving 4 bullet cases into the main bedroom scenario increasing. capacity from 9 to 13, they could never have hoped to get away with convicting Jeremy for the murders. These were murders, but none committed by Jeremy.  The realreal murderrers in sequential order were / are:-

June Bamber
Sheila Caffell
DS WOODCOCK...

Amen.

Mike, WHO were SB protecting? If Nevill was 61 he was only 15 at the outbreak of war. Hardly old enough to make much of a contribution, so hardly a Master Spy. Any connections that Sheila/Jeremy MAY have had at birth would have been totally and irrevocably severed when they were adopted into new families.

[lookout]

Another made up claim.

Never forget,,I'm as right as you think you are !

[scipio_usmc]

Special branch are in the game of protection - so who were they protecting at zhe time of the the shootings? And hey, who did they shoot not once, but twice? Yep, they shot one of the targets they were supposed to have been protecting.

The original investigation was Special branch orientated, they manipulated the exhibits - without moving 4 bullet cases into the main bedroom scenario increasing. capacity from 9 to 13, they could never have hoped to get away with convicting Jeremy for the murders. These were murders, but none committed by Jeremy.  The realreal murderrers in sequential order were / are:-

June Bamber
Sheila Caffell
DS WOODCOCK...

Amen.

You have no evidence whatsoever to back up such allegations though. 

No one on the scene, which includes Jeremy, heard any shots, all police testified they found Sheila on the floor in the position of the first photo taken -the left photo here:

http://users.skynet.be/dosscrim/jeremybamber/Sheila_Caffell_crime_scene.jpg

You have no evidence at all to establish she died after police arrived at the house let alone after police entered the house.

The ME found no evidence to suggest she died significantly later than any of the other victims.

You have no evidence that June did a thing except manage to get up from bed after being shot and to collapse on the floor.

This scenario is not being driven by the facts it was invented by you to get around the facts to try to suggest a manner in which Jeremy could be innocent.

June is used for 3 purposes:

1) because if Sheila had beaten Nevill with the rifle then surely she would have broken at least one nail in the process and have gotten medium velocity back spatter on her gown.  June doing this eliminates such problems with Sheila's physical state.

2) If Sheila had reloaded the weapon she would have had elevated lead levels on her hands but didn't according to the lab.  With June doing all the reloading this eliminates the requirement for Sheila to have elevated lead levels.

3) Sheila killing everyone doesn't fit known murder-suicide paradigms.  People who murder while having delusions usually kill other or commit suicide not both.  Those who do commit murder and suicide together do so because of depression and typically kill those they are responsible to take care of only.  The exception to this are people who want to kill as many people as they can before authorities can kill them and they kill strangers not just people they know. This scenario features Sheila killing June for self-defense.

Since the evidence proves Sheila can't have killed herself and there was no one left in the house to kill her police are conveniently blamed for killing her. 

This tale is built around the evidence to find a way to make Jeremy innocent.  If police actually killed Sheila with a gun near her it could just have been chalked up as self-defense.  Why would they all lie about not hearing any shots and how she was found when it would not be necessary?

There is no evidence to suggest this as a likely possibility and there are still other problems like how Nevill woudl get away to make a phone call, why Nevill would call Jeremy if he were so panicked as opposed to arming himself or calling 999 and why the killer would not shoot him if he was found on the phone and instead march him upstairs to shoot him.  Someone in a crazy rage doesn't decide they want to shoot someone in a select location and march the person there.  While on the phone he coudl not move far because of the short cord so that is the optimal time to shoot. There is also a reason to shoot- to silence.  To get so close to hang up the phone so that Nevill would be able to try to disarm the killer makes little sense.

I know what you will say- you have the right to your opinion.  Yes you do but you voice your opinion on here to try to sway others.  Without any evidence you are not going to sway many only the likes of lookout and certainly there is no hope of convincing a court of this.  If this did happen Jeremy will never see freedom because there is no hope of proving any of it.

[scipio_usmc]

Just because I'm probably right,,you tell me I'm making things up ? So what are your claims if they're not made up ? Hard facts,are they ? Unless you were there personally overseeing the case ?
The trouble is that a lot of these supposed " made-up " claims,,which in real terms were originally right,,have been contradicted to such an extent to fit in with other agendas,that they appear,in your eyes,and those of a lot of others,,,to be wrong.

Who are you trying to kid?  You defy the law of averages, even a broken clock is right 2 times a day (unless a 24 hour military clock which is right only once a day) but you are always wrong.

You have no command of the facts of this case at all you make things up and the things not entirely made up are things you completely misunderstand.  For instance your bogus claim that a piece of Sheila's toenail was found in the kitchen.  A claim that you kept making after it was proved was not true.

There are no police accounts of lights turning on and off.  This is one of your inventions.

[lookout]

Who are you trying to kid?  You defy the law of averages, even a broken clock is right 2 times a day (unless a 24 hour military clock which is right only once a day) but you are always wrong.

You have no command of the facts of this case at all you make things up and the things not entirely made up are things you completely misunderstand.  For instance your bogus claim that a piece of Sheila's toenail was found in the kitchen.  A claim that you kept making after it was proved was not true.

There are no police accounts of lights turning on and off.  This is one of your inventions.

Well it would seem that indeed I do have command of all the facts judging by your post. The more you tell me that I'm wrong,,making things up,,don't have an understanding of the case,etc etc,,brains of a rocking horse,,,the more I'm inclined to think I'm right,,so keep shovelling the sh1t if it makes you feel good. Unfortunately,,I just look upon you as being an arrogant and pedantic oaf,,who,,when the time comes,,,won't like losing,,one bit. Not nice being insulted,is it ??

BTW,there WAS a piece of Sheilas' toenail in the kitchen because it was first mistaken for paint from the Aga. Must have been a relative of yours in the force !
There were contradictory reports by various officers that lights within the farmhouse were on and off in certain rooms,,which again indicated that Sheila was still alive inside. The time of that was 03.45am. Bews saw that the light in the kitchen was on when he went to what he classed as,the back of the farmhouse.

[nugnug]

i rember somthing about lights as well.

[Adam]

Lights within the farmhouse were also going on and off too which suggested that someone was still alive. Why wasn't that noticed ? Or was everyone too busy running away from the moons' reflections ?

Source please.

Maybe Sheila needed the lights on while she changed and washed her clothes in the bucket. Then made herself a cheese & pickle sandwich.

[Alias]

I believe there are differing accounts on which lights were on and which were off. Patti knows a lot about this.... YO, PATTI!!!!!

[nugnug]

yes thats what i was led to belive.

[Patti]

I believe there are differing accounts on which lights were on and which were off. Patti knows a lot about this.... YO, PATTI!!!!!

Yo!!!

Yes if we look at when the police first arrived and the observations made it was clear that the only lights on within the house were on the white side of the house, thus being the kitchen where NB was later found. The upstairs bathroom light, twins room and landing. Although in later years Bew's has said there were no lights on at the back of the house.   His note books say different of course.

Mildenhall was the only person to have have spotted the light on in the main bedroom and the window slightly open from the red/white side where he was stationed.

Bew's, Myall and the other one, ;us Jeremy do not say in any of there statements that a light was on at the front of the house, they say it was in darkness. 

My question has always been...who put the main bedroom light on they don't turn on their own??

Hope this heloops....lol 

[nugnug]

maybe it was that trick of the light they saw.