What if?

[mike tesko]

How odd, that June Bamber did not attend her regular tuesday evening bible class, the last evening before the tragedy occurred...

[mike tesko]

I have just read about it in the book. He just chickened out. He admits that.

A costly mistake, if true...

[mike tesko]

Nobody sees June on her own in the company of both grand children, after they arrived for thier last stay at whf, providing support for the fact that Colin had at least spoken to Ralph about the role played by June...

[mike tesko]

There was an unsual atmosphere at whf after the arrival of Sheila and her twins at whf...

[scipio_usmc]

Bearing in mind the nature of Colins letter to Ralph, why would he place the safety of his boys by leaving them at the mercy of June Bambers abuse, without saying anything about what he had written about?

Forcing them to say prayers and learn about religion is not abuse.  Some parents hate religion and don't teach their kids others do.  Most kids would prefer not being bothered that doesn't make it abuse though.

According to Colin Sheila also became religious and actually grew closer to her mother before she died and presumably had they lived th eboys would have been even more immerse din rleigion against their will.

Colin had no reason at all to know the boys would be murdered and letting them stay with their mother and frandparents is not something he legally would even have the right to prevent.

Blame squarely lies with the killer, no one else.   

[mike tesko]

I think the images drawn by the child victims speaks volumes, I think there was clearly some sort of psychological, emotional or physical abuse going on - look at the images, make up your own mind...

[Alias]

Colin writes that Sheila´s condition ALWAYS deteriorated dramatically when she visited WHF or had contact with especially June. There is nothing at all that indicates that June and Sheila´s relationship improved prior to or at that last visit. Don´t make things up to fit your agenda.
Sheila did not want to go, the boys did not want to go, they were afraid of June´s shouting at them and the constant praying.

[lookout]

 Today,,parent/s will be prosecuted for displaying psychological abuse towards their children. Lack of love,etc etc. Emotional abuse,.
Imagine what would have happened back then if this had been in force. Teachers will be the first point of contact when the child/children start school. Those poor little boys had to get themselves up for school and dress and get their own breakfasts.
Colin hadn't known,obviously,as they were living with their mother at Maida Vale.
The only time they appeared normal was when they were living with their father.

[Jane]

I think the images drawn by the child victims speaks volumes, I think there was clearly some sort of psychological, emotional or physical abuse going on - look at the images, make up your own mind...

The naked female in their picture could easily have been Sheila who didn't like visiting the farm and may have shed tears whilst she was there.

[mike tesko]

Look at the images, drawn by the child  victims, whf was a terrifying place for them to visit - I do not have to make anything uo, let the images cast in the minds of the children speak for themselves...

June Bamber was clearly regarded as an orgre...

[Alias]

Today,,parent/s will be prosecuted for displaying psychological abuse towards their children. Lack of love,etc etc. Emotional abuse,.
Imagine what would have happened back then if this had been in force. Teachers will be the first point of contact when the child/children start school. Those poor little boys had to get themselves up for school and dress and get their own breakfasts.
Colin hadn't known,obviously,as they were living with their mother at Maida Vale.
The only time they appeared normal was when they were living with their father.

They lived with Colin the last five months.

[Jane]

How odd, that June Bamber did not attend her regular tuesday evening bible class, the last evening before the tragedy occurred...

I don't think it odd at all. June was landed with a daughter whose behaviour was flakey to say the least. Two small boys who needed attention that they weren't getting from their mother. With three exra to wash clean and cook for, I imagine she was exhausted.

[Alias]

Could it be that she didn´t go because she had a black eye?

[Patti]

Look at the images, drawn by the child  victims, whf was a terrifying place for them to visit - I do not have to make anything uo, let the images cast in the minds of the children speak for themselves...

June Bamber was clearly regarded as an orgre...

Hi Mike

I wouldn't go as far as saying that. From what I gather June was a pleasant person and worked very hard on the farm.  I know Colin did not get on with her all that well and he tells us that in his book.

I think June tried to protect Sheila in more ways than one.  June also tried to look after her own mother and was devastated when her mother in law died.  I don't think June was a bad person at all.  June bought Colin a car, she gave them money,she bought them a flat, she bought them food and paid some of their debts....No orge would do that I'm afraid.   

[Jane]

Look at the images, drawn by the child  victims, whf was a terrifying place for them to visit - I do not have to make anything uo, let the images cast in the minds of the children speak for themselves...

June Bamber was clearly regarded as an orgre...

I agree with you that they probably didn't find it a happy place -pictures of it make ME think it's scowling- but it may have been that they picked up on their mother's unhappiness when she visited. MUCH as I would like to say conclusively that the picture was of June, I feel it could just as easily be Sheila.