What if?

[mike tesko]

It is still possible, and not yet disproved, that June shot and killed the twins, that it was June Bamber who fought with and overpowered her husband and who then shot and killed him. These events may have proceeded the shooting of herself by Sheila, and later on, the circumstances surrounding Sheila's own death...

[Caroline]

Sorry Mike, don't think it is possible at all. They both received fatal shots in different rooms and the rifle wasn't found near June.

[lookout]

It is still possible, and not yet disproved, that June shot and killed the twins, that it was June Bamber who fought with and overpowered her husband and who then shot and killed him. These events may have proceeded the shooting of herself by Sheila, and later on, the circumstances surrounding Sheila's own death...

Mike,,I remember getting shouted down last week for inferring this,,,but I still stand by my thoughts that June herself wasn't without blame. ( tin hat at the ready )

[mike tesko]

Sorry Mike, don't think it is possible at all. They both received fatal shots in different rooms and the rifle wasn't found near June.

Hi Caroline,

Lets look at the known facts...

Somebody had to load more bullets into the gun if it was a one gun crime, and there was insufficient lead deposit found on hand swabs taken from Sheila, but Junes hands were not tested...

Somebody fought with and killed Ralph Bamber, that person would almost certainly have got some of Ralph Bambers blood upon themselves (worse case scenario), and if you look at the nightdresses of both June and Sheila, you would have thought that it is more likely that June fought with Ralph...

According to one account, the rifle was found on the bed between the bodies of June and Sheila...

One of the very first headlines, reported that June Bamber had shot her family dead...

Both June and Ralph had injuries consistent with them both fighting each other...

[mike tesko]

In all the circumstances of this case, it is perfectly feasible that June shot and killed the children, and that she fought with and killed off Ralph...

[mike tesko]

There is no evidence and never has been, to extract June Bamber from the role of killer of her grand children snd her husband...

She could easily have carried out the first phase shootings, all by herself

[lookout]

 The motives were there,Mike.

[mike tesko]

She could have loaded all the bullets needed and used in the killings. Without any need for Sheila to physically touch or handle or load any rounds into the gun. This is the perfect explaination for why insufficient lead deposit was found on Sheila's hand swabs...

[lookout]

Even then,,the small deposits found could well have been if Sheila had tried to retrieve the rifle.

[scipio_usmc]

It is still possible, and not yet disproved, that June shot and killed the twins, that it was June Bamber who fought with and overpowered her husband and who then shot and killed him. These events may have proceeded the shooting of herself by Sheila, and later on, the circumstances surrounding Sheila's own death...

For any of Jeremy's tale to be true, Nevill had to call him and tell him that Sheila had a gun.  Why would He claim that if June had it?

Why would June have a motive to kill the kids and Nevill?

Why would she leave Sheila unharmed and go to bed and leave the gun in a place Sheila could grab it?

It makes no sense and there is not one shred of evidence to suggest this happened.   

[Alias]

Mike, you know this, but you put it out there againm so I´ll say again, I find this highly unlikely!

[lookout]

 This would change the whole stance of it having been Sheila,,who people have firmly argued against it having been her. They could well all be right-----------------but it wasn't Jeremy either.

Poor Sheila had given us all the clues,,,but it could be the one that you would least expect it to be,,,,,although had also succumbed to mental illness. Mental illness in all its forms are unpredictable.

I suspect that a myriad of past and present differences came into the conversation on the night of the murders and some bad things being spoken which led to this " family dispute ".

[scipio_usmc]

This would change the whole stance of it having been Sheila,,who people have firmly argued against it having been her. They could well all be right-----------------but it wasn't Jeremy either.

Poor Sheila had given us all the clues,,,but it could be the one that you would least expect it to be,,,,,although had also succumbed to mental illness. Mental illness in all its forms are unpredictable.

I suspect that a myriad of past and present differences came into the conversation on the night of the murders and some bad things being spoken which led to this " family dispute ".

Either Jeremy's claim he was phoned and told Sheila had the gun and was going crazy was the truth or a lie.

If it was a lie he did it.  The notion there is room for it to be a lie and yet for him to be innocent and June to have killed a number of the victims doesn't scan.  aking the gun away from Sheila to kill Nevill and the boys but not Sheila and then to go to sleep leavng the gun for Sheila to grab makes no sense at all. The notion Nevill lied and said Sheila had it when it was June also doesn't make sense.

Jeremy's narrative already has little to support it.  But the further you get away from it the harder it is to believe that Jeremy is innocent.  Particularly where there are multiple pieces of evidence that establish Sheila could not have shot herself.

For Jeremy not to have been involved would require someone else shooting Sheila putting the suppressor away then dropping dead from prior wounds or that person committing suicide.  Otherwise it was Jeremy. 

[lookout]

We don't exactly know for absolute certain whether or not Neville did say Sheila or " She ". Jeremy,,again,,is the one to ask outright about that. Though he wasn't 100% sure at the time with being wakened at an unearthly hour.

[scipio_usmc]

We don't exactly know for absolute certain whether or not Neville did say Sheila or " She ". Jeremy,,again,,is the one to ask outright about that. Though he wasn't 100% sure at the time with being wakened at an unearthly hour.

The "she" business demonstrates how Jeremy was looking for a way to spin as opposed ot a serious effort to suggest someone else had a gun.  I cna't see Nevill saying she as oppose dot June or your mom.

June grabbing a gun around 2:30AM makes no sense let alone going to bed after killing everyone except Sheila.  Fights don't start after everyone goes to bed they occur when people are awake.

Sheila did not move her own body flat nor did she remove the suppressor and put it away. June kills Nevill and the boys and leaves Sheila alive why?  She goes to bed was shot by Sheila but not immobilized, June then kills her, moves her body, puts away the suppressor and returns upstairs to kill herself with 2 shots to the head even though either would have killed her quite rapidly so she would not have been able to shoot fire the second shot let alone to go dump the gun on Sheila after killing herself.  So instead of Sheila's suicide being not plausible we have a problemmatic June suicide.

What was accomplished then by the whole "what if"?  It would swap one impossible suicide with another and add a whole lot of unlikely things for good measure.