Is Sheila guilty?

[Jan]

I cant think of a farm without at least one ladder easily to hand as for the dogs it wouldnt matter as he would only need the ladder to EXIT the farm when he would be the only one alive.
as I said the entering and exit theory is a red herring neither here nor there  just because it could be done (easily) doesnt mean it was.

wilf

I am not disagreeing with you . All I am saying is you think the police would have looked at that possibility rather than taking a risk that the court would accept the fact that they did not have to prove that the downstairs windows could be locked from the outside ( which they did not)

Thought they would have taken the easy option and used your argument. Even if the ladder did not have fingerprints they could have used the " gloves" argument.

But if the ladder was in a barn a long way away then he would have to risk taking it there on his bike

[nugnug]

refresf my memory where any of the window open.

[scipio_usmc]

refresf my memory where any of the window open.

The main bedroom window was not locked and the dairy window was open.

My guess is this ladder business is because of the main bedroom window wasn't locked.

I have dropped from a second floor window before (no ladder was available) but you can get hurt if you don't land right so it is not something to risk unless you really need to do so.  Carrying a ladder to climb out and then carrying it away is not impossible - how far away was this bard where it supposedly was?

I can't imagine someone bothering with this if they had to carry the ladder more than half a mile.    Especially if there were a way to get the window in the kitchen to latch.

[nugnug]

you would need a torch though.

[scipio_usmc]

you would need a torch though.

A torch for what?

[nugnug]

well must people who are trying to find there way around in the dark need a torch.

[scipio_usmc]

well must people who are trying to find there way around in the dark need a torch.

This was 1985, flashlights had been invented. At any rate unless there is no moon at all and solid coud cover many people (myself included) can get along fine in the dark.  I have traversed woods without a problem in the dark save getting caught on thorns so walking around the outside of the farm would not be too difficult.

To kill someone I would just turn the light on in their room. They would be blinde dby the light at first even if they did wake up so I would not care.  It would be better than trying to shoot by light from the hallway or window.  But who knows maybe he did stand next to the window so he could shoot with the light from said window hitting th ebed to give him the best view.  Killers are not always smart and sometimes do things the hard way.

Which is why even though I would not bother with a ladder some jackass might.  People have been stuck in chimneys even criminals often do stupid things.

 

[nugnug]

to fumble about in a pitch black farm to find a ladder would require a torch i think.

[scipio_usmc]

to fumble about in a pitch black farm to find a ladder would require a torch i think.

A flashlight will do, I used one enough in dark woods to know.  Often we had to use a red lens no less.

The bigger problem with a ladder is why bother carrying it around if there is an alternative means that is less work?

The Lindberg baby was kidnapped at night using a ladder.  The goal there was to make an exit before living people could find out.  If you plan to kill a whole household you don't have to worry about entering and leaving the same way undetected.   

[Patti]

A flashlight will do, I used one enough in dark woods to know.  Often we had to use a red lens no less.

The bigger problem with a ladder is why bother carrying it around if there is an alternative means that is less work?

The Lindberg baby was kidnapped at night using a ladder.  The goal there was to make an exit before living people could find out.  If you plan to kill a whole household you don't have to worry about entering and leaving the same way undetected.   

The Lindenberg case which I am familiar with.  The forensic scientist that examined the ladder claimed notoriety for finding out where the ladder was made.  The ladder was not on site though. Whoever took the child brought the ladder to the house if memory serves me right.  Still a mystery.

[nugnug]

A flashlight will do, I used one enough in dark woods to know.  Often we had to use a red lens no less.

The bigger problem with a ladder is why bother carrying it around if there is an alternative means that is less work?

The Lindberg baby was kidnapped at night using a ladder.  The goal there was to make an exit before living people could find out.  If you plan to kill a whole household you don't have to worry about entering and leaving the same way undetected.   

welll other than wilfs theory i cant see any other way in and out.

[wilf]

refresf my memory where any of the window open.

look at the photo of the gun leaning against the window. besides its August whats to think about an unlocked first floor window. look also at the aerial photo the barns are next to the house

p.s. still dont think this has any bearing.

[scipio_usmc]

The Lindenberg case which I am familiar with.  The forensic scientist that examined the ladder claimed notoriety for finding out where the ladder was made.  The ladder was not on site though. Whoever took the child brought the ladder to the house if memory serves me right.  Still a mystery.

The ladder was left behind broken into 3 parts in the bushes because it didn't matter.  The ladder was simply out of sight so the kidnapper could have extra time to get away with the Lindbergh baby.  Leavign the adder visible would have made it more likely to know somethign was wrong and discover the baby was missing sooner.  In this case the ladder would need to be removed entirely since the whole purpose would have been to leave from a second story window without appearing to have left through it.  Unless there was absolutely no possible alternative who would go through the work involved?

PS Yes supposedly the wood was tied to a garage where it had been made from the rafters.  The man staying in that house (Hauptmann) also had around $15,000 of the ransom money in it. The defense suggested he was framed by the real killer and a number of people still wonder if he was framed or not.

Someone in the NY area spent several thousand dollars and it actually took quite a while to track the spending to Hauptmann.  He had no good excuse for having the money.

A lot of the money never turned up which feeds into the conspiracy theories.  Either 1) he had an accomplice(s) who decided to destroy the money after they saw it lead to Hauptmann being caught, 2) he hid it somewhere that to this day no one has discovered, or 3) someone who owned the house subsequently found his stash but never revealed it (The money is no longer legal tender so at this point is only a collectible so unless into numismatics is won't matter and a collector might even be scared to disclose the truth out of dear of the certificates being taken away).

I can't see someone giving him $20,000 so he gets caught, spend nothing theselves and just toss the rest of the money away.
 

[Patti]

The ladder was left behind broken into 3 parts in the bushes because it didn't matter.  The ladder was simply out of sight so the kidnapper could have extra time to get away with the Lindbergh baby.  Leavign the adder visible would have made it more likely to know somethign was wrong and discover the baby was missing sooner.  In this case the ladder would need to be removed entirely since the whole purpose would have been to leave from a second story window without appearing to have left through it.  Unless there was absolutely no possible alternative who would go through the work involved?

PS Yes supposedly the wood was tied to a garage where it had been made from the rafters.  The man staying in that house (Hauptmann) also had around $15,000 of the ransom money in it. The defense suggested he was framed by the real killer and a number of people still wonder if he was framed or not.

Someone in the NY area spent several thousand dollars and it actually took quite a while to track the spending to Hauptmann.  He had no good excuse for having the money.

A lot of the money never turned up which feeds into the conspiracy theories.  Either 1) he had an accomplice(s) who decided to destroy the money after they saw it lead to Hauptmann being caught, 2) he hid it somewhere that to this day no one has discovered, or 3) someone who owned the house subsequently found his stash but never revealed it (The money is no longer legal tender so at this point is only a collectible so unless into numismatics is won't matter and a collector might even be scared to disclose the truth out of dear of the certificates being taken away).

I can't see someone giving him $20,000 so he gets caught, spend nothing theselves and just toss the rest of the money away.

Yes it was a very interesting case. Many people thought Lindenberg and the Nanny was in on it. The poor little mite was found dead in some shrub land dead not far from the house.    The other case that has always interested me was Jonbenet Ramsey. 

[Alias]

Yes it was a very interesting case. Many people thought Lindenberg and the Nanny was in on it. The poor little mite was found dead in some shrub land dead not far from the house.    The other case that has always interested me was Jonbenet Ramsey. 

Me too. I don´t know all that much about the Lindberg case, but have ooked quite a bit into the JonBenet Ramsay case. Who do you think did it?