Is Sheila guilty?

[Jan]

well i supose it sepends how many pieces of paperwork there were.

exactly - in the first case file.

I did read somewhere ( not verified) that there was a close neighbour ,old guy , who said he knew a lot but the police had never asked him. I think his wife asked him to go to the police and he said no let them come to me.
And before you ask the source Adam I don't know - I think it came from a local person who reported it back.

 

[lookout]

 The trouble here is that a lot of those old neighbours will either have died or perhaps suffering in some way that they can't remember. It seems that this is a waiting game to those who could,or can still speak out,,are preparing to " meet their makers ". Then it'll all blow away and be forgotten.

[maggie]

exactly - in the first case file.

I did read somewhere ( not verified) that there was a close neighbour ,old guy , who said he knew a lot but the police had never asked him. I think his wife asked him to go to the police and he said no let them come to me.
And before you ask the source Adam I don't know - I think it came from a local person who reported it back.

Hi jansus, think you may be remembering NNs report back from when she visited the area and discussed the case in the pub with the locals. It was said one of the farmworkers living in the farm cottages in the lane.had said it couldn't have been Jeremy because of something he'd seen but as you say he didn't go to the police or they go to him ...... these old timers can be unbelievably bloody minded.

[Adam]

exactly - in the first case file.

I did read somewhere ( not verified) that there was a close neighbour ,old guy , who said he knew a lot but the police had never asked him. I think his wife asked him to go to the police and he said no let them come to me.
And before you ask the source Adam I don't know - I think it came from a local person who reported it back.

An old guy.

A close neighbour ( although WHF was in the middle of nowehere).

Who knew things ( like how he liked his hot chocolate).

But he did not want to go to the police regarding a massacre ( in case he missed 'The Antiques Roadshow).

The police had to somehow find out about this mystery man and approach him. Or Jeremy could tell his lawyer. ( but even Jeremy did not know about him).

Interesting.

[maggie]

An old guy.

A close neighbour ( although WHF was in the middle of nowehere).

Who knew things ( like how he liked his hot chocolate).

But he did not want to go to the police regarding a massacre ( in case he missed 'The Antiques Roadshow).
The police had to somehow find out about this mystery man and approach him. Or Jeremy could tell his lawyer. ( but even Jeremy did not know about him).
Interesting.

Adam there were farm cottages near the farmhouse. I putvup an answer but you have chosen to ignore it.

[scipio_usmc]

Hi jansus, think you may be remembering NNs report back from when she visited the area and discussed the case in the pub with the locals. It was said one of the farmworkers living in the farm cottages in the lane.had said it couldn't have been Jeremy because of something he'd seen but as you say he didn't go to the police or they go to him ...... these old timers can be unbelievably bloody minded.

When I was in highschool I witnessed a murder.  I was collecting shopping carts (back then there were not corrals for the carts to sit in nor machines to push them we had to do it all manually).  I wa smaybe 30 feet away when a guy ran a woman over as she walked across the road.  He then got out and stabbed her to finish her off.  He then calmly waited for police.  Nobody in the lot did anything.  There not enough time to react he was out of the car in seconds.  Maybe 20 other people saw it.  I heard so many tales about it from supposed witnesses who I know for sure were never there because I saw how many were and the hundreds who claim to have seen it can't have done so.  There was a crown that appeared after the fact.  Some of the claims even involved helping capute the person and trying to save her which is bunk. No one approached her to help and no one approached him. After police arrived is when people stopped being scared.  The girl's daughter was there and saw it all and no one tried to help her by pulling her away.  She got to safety by walking on her own.  The police station was less than a ile away so a cop was there quite fast as well as an ambulance but it did no good.

The moral though is that there are always fake witnesses who make up not only being a witness but crazy details just because they want to be a part of what happened.  I went intot he store and told the manager who made me stay inside so I could not talk to police and gave them some witness statement though he saw nothing.  What he said was never reported but I still wonder what he said because he was a jerk so could have been a doozy.

The grapevine is not a reliable source for information that is why such information is not allowed at trial.

 

 

[lookout]

 What ?? And what about " hearsay ?".Is that not allowed in court either ? Don't make me laugh.
 The whole case was based on hearsay and gossip and lies.

[scipio_usmc]

What ?? And what about " hearsay ?".Is that not allowed in court either ? Don't make me laugh.
 The whole case was based on hearsay and gossip and lies.

Once again you make an absurd claim.  You seem to be a maste rat it.  The case was built around Jeremy's own lies as well as forensic evidence that established Sheila could nop have killed herself.  There was no gossip that made its way to the trial nor any hearsay, hearsay is not admissible.

Anonymous pub chatter is to you reliable so long as this gossip suts your agenda but not any sourced claims that are actually reliable if they defeat your agenda.  So your definition of crediblity is whether it supports your agenda or not. 

I laid out the extensive case against Jeremy and until all that evidence is seriously challenged an appeal court will never release him and there is no way to establish his conviction is a MOJ. 

   

[lookout]

 Jeremy had no reason to lie at all,,nor was there any forensic evidence connecting Jeremy to the crimes either.

The use of the bicycle was a lie,,as was the wetsuit,,and the Matthew McDonald saga. These are just a few among many falsehoods.

Suiting ones agenda also applies to you too ! So please don't lecture me on what you think is right.

[wilf]

Matthew McDonald not involved  FACT
No blood found on Jeremy or his possesions  FACT
Juries question wrongly answered  FACT
PII in force why?  FACT

[nugnug]

Once again you make an absurd claim.  You seem to be a maste rat it.  The case was built around Jeremy's own lies as well as forensic evidence that established Sheila could nop have killed herself.  There was no gossip that made its way to the trial nor any hearsay, hearsay is not admissible.

Anonymous pub chatter is to you reliable so long as this gossip suts your agenda but not any sourced claims that are actually reliable if they defeat your agenda.  So your definition of crediblity is whether it supports your agenda or not. 

I laid out the extensive case against Jeremy and until all that evidence is seriously challenged an appeal court will never release him and there is no way to establish his conviction is a MOJ. 

 

yes we all read your posts we just decided we dont agrea with them we are not ingonoring your points we just dont agrea that really mean hes guilty.

you may be unware but this is what happens in a debate.

[nugnug]

Matthew McDonald not involved  FACT
No blood found on Jeremy or his possesions  FACT
Juries question wrongly answered  FACT
PII in force why?  FACT

well mathew MacDonald has a cast iron albi the fact mugford brought him in it makes her word rather suspect.

did she have some sort of personal grudge agianst him.

[scipio_usmc]

Matthew McDonald not involved  FACT
No blood found on Jeremy or his possesions  FACT
Juries question wrongly answered  FACT
PII in force why?  FACT

Jeremy wasn't searched for blood or GSR so how could any be found?  He had the ability to clean up and change anway upon arriving home.

Sheila would have neither the ability to clean herself up or change her clothes after killing herself nor the ability to move her own body let alone put the suppressor away.

Sheila also would have no reason to change or washup and there is nothing to suggest she did.  She would not have the ability to repai broken nails as she would have suffered from bludgeoning someone with a rifle.

The simple fact that Sheila can't have killed herself and Jeremy was aware of the murders is sufficent to convict him since he could be aware if he were the killer.  So the fact he was never searched for blood and hence none was doesn't prove him innocent in the least.   

[scipio_usmc]

yes we all read your posts we just decided we dont agrea with them we are not ingonoring your points we just dont agrea that really mean hes guilty.

you may be unware but this is what happens in a debate.

A debate features evidence being used to support an argument.

Many do not debate much they simply assert they refuse to accept any evidence against Jeremy goign so far as to deny Nevill had a struggle with his killer and choose to believe everyone lies except Jeremy and then claim there was no evidence to convict though there was plenty and simply stated you choose to believe none of it and instead to believe wild conspiracy claims.

That's not a debate it is just pretending there was no evidence and insisting there was a MOJ without being able to back up the claim with anything.  And while that might sooth your soul it doesn' amount to debating.

Some people actual debate certain issues but not the entire case against Jeremy and others never debate at all they just post rhetoric.

[lookout]

 Aren't sniffer dogs reliable,then ? There was a dog-handler outside WHF when Jeremy was there,,but the animal didn't flinch. These dogs are trained to sniff out the most minute of residue left behind,,as you know,,their noses are far more powerful than ours.

It would also have detected stale blood,excess body odour which is given off in such circumstances as having exerted yourself beyond the norm, which is likened to a nervous sweating.

I can partially agree that Sheila hadn't shot herself,,simply because she was shot by someone else,,but I reiterate,,,it wasn't Jeremy.