Would the trial result in a different verdict if held in 2014 ?

[nugnug]

if the police had seen the silencer they could back relatives story so very strange they dident say so in court.

[Alias]

if the police had seen the silencer they could back relatives story so very strange they dident say so in court.

Good point you make there.

[guest154]

if the police had seen the silencer they could back relatives story so very strange they dident say so in court.

Didn't they?

[nugnug]

no they dident as im sure here can tell you.

[scipio_usmc]

if the police had seen the silencer they could back relatives story so very strange they dident say so in court.

That is all the more evidence that police are not lying and it is not all a nice neat set up.

Police say they didn't look for a suppressor and don't know if it was there or not they only noticed things that struck them as relevant and that the suppressor did not because Jeremy claimed it wasn't on the gun and no one thought it was used in the murders.  Even after it was collected police say they had no idea of the significance it held.

If this was all a setup and they were lying and making up stories they would have made up that they saw it, saw it had blood but had no idea it was used in the murders so assumed it was animal blood.  There was no need to involve the family at all in the finding.

[nugnug]

its also certan proof the silencer wasnt in the cupboard.

[scipio_usmc]

its also certan proof the silencer wasnt in the cupboard.

No it isn't.

"I didn't look for a silencer so I don't know if it was there or not" is not proof it wasn't there.
 

[nugnug]

thers no way anyone could not of noticed seeing a bloodstained silencer whatever they were looking for.

i mean the blood would of been a big red light.

and silencers arnt exactly tiny.

[scipio_usmc]

thers no way anyone could not of noticed seeing a bloodstained silencer whatever they were looking for.

i mean the blood would of been a big red light.

and silencers arnt exactly tiny.

They don't remember if the suppressor was there or not when they searched because they were not looking for a suppressor.  Seeing a suppressor and if noticing the blood assuming it was animal blood means nothing for the crimes.  They were only looking for evidence related to the crimes as they were told the crimes occurred so didn't even care about the ammo carrier or other weapons. 

It is indeed easy to not remember what wa sin a closet when you look through a great many places in a house and have other scenes you searched as well and you only wrote down notes about things that mattered so when you reveiw your notes no mention of what was in their other than what you decided was relevant and took.

[Caroline]

That is all the more evidence that police are not lying and it is not all a nice neat set up.

Police say they didn't look for a suppressor and don't know if it was there or not they only noticed things that struck them as relevant and that the suppressor did not because Jeremy claimed it wasn't on the gun and no one thought it was used in the murders.  Even after it was collected police say they had no idea of the significance it held.

If this was all a setup and they were lying and making up stories they would have made up that they saw it, saw it had blood but had no idea it was used in the murders so assumed it was animal blood.  There was no need to involve the family at all in the finding.

And they would have been ridiculed at a time when they were already under heavy criticism. It's quite clever (IMO) (that if they did plant the silencer) to distance themselves from the actual find because if anything had gone wrong, they just simply say that it was given to them in the condition under which it was tested.

[lebaleb]

And yet when the relatives found it DB shouted out and AE came from the kitchen to see what he had found. They had no doubt it was relevant and an important find and the police should have it... in a few days time.
Sheila could have attached the silencer to be sure the children wouldn't wake up which would have made it more difficult for her to shoot them. It could have been attached when she finished off June and shot Neville in the kitchen. That could be when it picked up the paint from the mantle piece.
She may have removed it when she realised it made it difficult to reach the trigger.

[susan]

Hi lebaleb

but would Sheila have gone to the trouble of putting the silencer back in the box and into the gun cupboard I am not saying what you have suggested is incorrect as it is very credible but suspect another silencer was used and taken away by EP and would have been found quite near to where she was found.

[Caroline]

And yet when the relatives found it DB shouted out and AE came from the kitchen to see what he had found. They had no doubt it was relevant and an important find and the police should have it... in a few days time.
Sheila could have attached the silencer to be sure the children wouldn't wake up which would have made it more difficult for her to shoot them. It could have been attached when she finished off June and shot Neville in the kitchen. That could be when it picked up the paint from the mantle piece.
She may have removed it when she realised it made it difficult to reach the trigger.

But someone who gave that much thought into what they were doing, can't really be described as suffering a psychotic episode. That's planning.

[nugnug]

They don't remember if the suppressor was there or not when they searched because they were not looking for a suppressor.  Seeing a suppressor and if noticing the blood assuming it was animal blood means nothing for the crimes.  They were only looking for evidence related to the crimes as they were told the crimes occurred so didn't even care about the ammo carrier or other weapons. 

It is indeed easy to not remember what wa sin a closet when you look through a great many places in a house and have other scenes you searched as well and you only wrote down notes about things that mattered so when you reveiw your notes no mention of what was in their other than what you decided was relevant and took.

for one policeman to miss maybe not all 5.

[Adam]

Jeremy told the police he left the gun without the silencer on.

So Sheila in a rage put the silencer on. Killed everyone. Then took the silencer off, put it neatly in a box and back in the gun cupboard.

Then (according to Jeremy) shot herself in the kitchen. Waited for the raid team to enter WHF. Then sneaked upstairs without being seen & not getting any downward blood trails Then shot herself again the bedroom.

But the pathologist said the shock & pain of Sheilas first shot would have immobilised her.