The 'Master File'...

[curiousessex]

I agree.

Yes I did mean West to Bonnet.

If Jeremy is on the telephone to the Police for 10 - 11 minutes from 3.26am then he presumably cannot have rung Julie at 3.30 am.

This would then appear to corroborate the coinhabitants statement of the telephone ringing in the premises at between 3.00 am and 3.15 am.

[TheBrilliantMistake]

I agree.

Yes I did mean West to Bonnet.

If Jeremy is on the telephone to the Police for 10 - 11 minutes from 3.26am then he presumably cannot have rung Julie at 3.30 am.

This would then appear to corroborate the coinhabitants statement of the telephone ringing in the premises at between 3.00 am and 3.15 am.

Depending on who you believe!... but most of them seemed to place it sooner rather than later (3 to 3.15 as you say (I'll modify the timeline)).
It seems in court, many were asked 'COULD it have been as late as 3.30?' and most conceded that it could have been.
There was one account saying 2:something, but it seemed accepted that this was likely to have been 2:50+ (as the witness only recalled the hour a being 2).

[curiousessex]

Ann Eaton's hand written notes detail Jeremy received a call from Nevill at 3 am.

‘10pm. Pam phoned. June said ‘I want you to see how Sheil…
Sheila spoke to Pam. Did not say goodnight on the phone.
June said Sheila is going to bed now.
10pm. Jeremy phoned Julie? Why?
3 am. Nevill phoned Jeremy. (she’s got a - crossed out) ‘Sheila’ has got the gun. She has gone crazy. Then the line dead.
Jeremy phoned Chelmsford police. Who didn’t react at all quickly – 11 mins. Then said a police car from Witham would meet him at the Whitehouse.
Jeremy phoned Julie.
Then went to the Whitehouse. Police car arrived just in front of h…
They smashed the door down…..hrs later. Why did they think…
Uncle Nevill was in kitchen Nr scuttle. Badly shot.
Twins in bed shot
June on floor nr door.
Sheila on bed bible on chest. Gun beside her. Shot (through – crossed out)under chin.
Jeremy phoned Julie 6 am from Police Station (I think). A call box’

[Hartley]

I agree.

Yes I did mean West to Bonnet.

If Jeremy is on the telephone to the Police for 10 - 11 minutes from 3.26am then he presumably cannot have rung Julie at 3.30 am.

This would then appear to corroborate the coinhabitants statement of the telephone ringing in the premises at between 3.00 am and 3.15 am.

Depending on who you believe!... but most of them seemed to place it sooner rather than later (3 to 3.15 as you say (I'll modify the timeline)).
It seems in court, many were asked 'COULD it have been as late as 3.30?' and most conceded that it could have been.
There was one account saying 2:something, but it seemed accepted that this was likely to have been 2:50+ (as the witness only recalled the hour a being 2).

Yes one account said 2+ and accepted as probably being 2:50+, then another account which said it was definitely 3:12 on her clock and that she kept her clock ten minutes fast, so it was 3:02. The clock running ten minutes fast was checked by an unannounced police visit and confirmed to be true.

Given those two accounts I would estimate the time to be between approx. 2:55 and 3:05.

[Hartley]

Ann Eaton's hand written notes detail Jeremy received a call from Nevill at 3 am.

I'm not sure what accuracy we can place on Ann's notes, the only way she could know any timings is if told by somebody else, so it's second hand Chinese whispers.

[curiousessex]

........... and at the original trial Jeremy admitted he did not call the Police as soon as he had received a call from Nevill.

I understand, this was because he was looking up the telephone number for Chelmsford Police as opposed to dialling 999.

Does anyone have access to the time that this may have taken?

[curiousessex]

Ann Eaton's hand written notes detail Jeremy received a call from Nevill at 3 am.

I'm not sure what accuracy we can place on Ann's notes, the only way she could know any timings is if told by somebody else, so it's second hand Chinese whispers.

Well the notes do exist and it would appear these are Ann's notes which refer to what Jeremy will have told her in the times following the tragedy. I beleive the second page of her notes, as posted on this forum, do mention something about contacting Freddie 'today' (Freddie being Sheila's male friend). This would appear to indicate they were written at or around the time of the tragedy......

Maybe the notes should come under the disputed or unreliable colour scheme.

[Pete0001]

Ann Eaton’s notes detailed

‘Jeremy phoned Chelmsford police. Who didn’t react at all quickly – 11 mins. Then said a police car from Witham would meet him at the Whitehouse.’
I believe it has also been reported that Jeremy, in the original trial, testified that when he rang the Police he was kept hanging on the line for 11 minutes.

This would have to be verified from the original trial transcript. Does anyone have any records of what Jeremy actually testified at the original trial?

One thing I always think about when I hear this "kept waiting for 11 minutes" is... that's a long time to wait and how many people really appreciate the time?
When I ring Barclaycard and others like, I get annoyed and frustrated after being on hold for 4 minutes and I've never waited 11 minutes.. I would almost certianly hang up and re dial, thinking the call had been lost.
11 minutes on hold is a long time.

[Hartley]

11 minutes on hold is a long time.

Yes I thought that, but he could have been on hold intermittently, with West keep coming back to him to ask additional questions.

[curiousessex]

11 minutes on hold is a long time.

Yes I thought that, but he could have been on hold intermittently, with West keep coming back to him to ask additional questions.

Agreed

[TheBrilliantMistake]

11 minutes on hold is a long time.

Yes I thought that, but he could have been on hold intermittently, with West keep coming back to him to ask additional questions.

Agreed

11 minutes sounds very accurate - I did once read bamber had a stopwatch! (honestly).
It IS a long time - but explaining all the details to West, then west doing the same to Bonnet, then bonnet doing to the same to the area cars and working out who was going to attend, and agreeing where to meet and suchlike... I can see it being a fair few minutes worth of call.
I think we have to be reasonably flexible on durations and there's little hope of genuine minute by minute breakdowns, but the times in the call log are probably decent times +/- 2 mins say.

[TheBrilliantMistake]

Ann Eaton's hand written notes detail Jeremy received a call from Nevill at 3 am.

I'm not sure what accuracy we can place on Ann's notes, the only way she could know any timings is if told by somebody else, so it's second hand Chinese whispers.

Well the notes do exist and it would appear these are Ann's notes which refer to what Jeremy will have told her in the times following the tragedy. I beleive the second page of her notes, as posted on this forum, do mention something about contacting Freddie 'today' (Freddie being Sheila's male friend). This would appear to indicate they were written at or around the time of the tragedy......

Maybe the notes should come under the disputed or unreliable colour scheme.

There is probably some credibility to her notes in as much as she was likely jotting all this down more or less as hit happened, but equally, she wasn't doing so minute by minute, more to just form a basic outline. '3' could mean bang on 3:00 or in that general time frame.

It's just not going to be possible for me to create 101 different time lines, but I will make a note of it in the master file.

I really do not want to undermine or diminish ANY evidence at all, but we have to draw some sort of 'close' time line... Sadly a couple of minutes either way can have a huge bearing with regard to who phoned who and the rationale behind the calls.

As for Ann wondering why Jeremy would phone his G/F at 10:00pm. Can't see anything odd in that. Sounds like normal behaviour to me for a young couple.

[Reader]

Some corrections (please edit them into your posts).

• The word "nee" should be "née".
• Colin's surname is "Caffell", not "Cafell" (in 1st line of 2nd section).
• The use of "A/" before a police rank indicates "Acting", not "Assistant".
• "Clarke" should be "Clark". There were two police officers named Clark.
• "Malcolm Bonnet" should be "Malcolm Bonnett", but he was a civilian Communications Officer, not a police officer.
• "Montgomerie" should be "Montgomery".
• Obviously, Sarah Jane Eaton isn't the daughter of Pamela, but is presumably the daughter of Peter and Ann (wikipedia needs to be updated).
• I'm not sure about the dog unit, but it's possible that the apparent "Z" with a vertical line through it was simply Bonnett's way of writing "Z" to distinguish it from "2". The dog-handler was Pc Mercer.
• The name "Anshutz" should be "Anschütz".
• HQIR stands for "Headquarters Information Room".

Note: the 11 minute delay that Ann Eaton mentions is not corroborated. Jeremy didn't state it during his trial. Possibly, mike tesko can check his transcripts for anything Jeremy did say regarding the length of his call.

[Hartley]

• Obviously,Sarah Jane Eaton isn't the daughter of Pamela, but is presumably the daughter of Peter and Ann (wikipedia needs to be updated).

Yes that's correct, she is Ann & Peters daughter.

[TheBrilliantMistake]

Some corrections (please edit them into your posts).

• The word "nee" should be "née".
• Colin's surname is "Caffell", not "Cafell" (in 1st line of 2nd section).
• The use of "A/" before a police rank indicates "Acting", not "Assistant".
• "Clarke" should be "Clark". There were two police officers named Clark.
• "Malcolm Bonnet" should be "Malcolm Bonnett", but he was a civilian Communications Officer, not a police officer.
• "Montgomerie" should be "Montgomery".
• Obviously,Sarah Jane Eaton isn't the daughter of Pamela, but is presumably the daughter of Peter and Ann (wikipedia needs to be updated).
• I'm not sure about the dog unit, but it's possible that the apparent "Z" with a vertical line through it was simply Bonnett's way of writing "Z" to distinguish it from "2". The dog-handler was Pc Mercer.
• The name "Anshutz" should be "Anschütz".
• HQIR stands for "Headquarters Information Room".

Note: the 11 minute delay that Ann Eaton mentions is not corroborated. Jeremy didn't state it during his trial. Possibly, mike tesko can check his transcripts for anything Jeremy did say regarding the length of his call.

Thank you kindly... some are just typos, some are copies of typos from the logs, and some just attempts to get it written down... will add all the corrections in the next 30 or so (it's a pain because the editor isn't great when you're trying to consistently format links and colours etc).

I'm sure you understand, and thanks for the fixes... accuracy breeds clarity!