Accomplice, who was he?

[mike tesko]

I can't stand liars....

[mike tesko]

Policeman, PS Woodcock, shot Sheila upon entering the kitchen, until then she did not have any bullet wounds in her throat or neck...

Now, if what I am saying is true, then obviously Jeremy did not shoot her dead in the bedroom upstairs, and neither could he have stage managed her body to make it look like she had taken her own life...

Woodcock shot Sheila in the kitchen, he knows he did, I know he did, and everybody else at the scene knows he did...

Jeremy is completely innocent...

[wilf]

what gun did he use? what caliber? how did he account for a discharged round?

wilf

[nugnug]

the police have often framed innocent people knowing full well they were innocent.

[Martin]

the police have often framed innocent people knowing full well they were innocent.

I know, I just think that Caroline is winding people up.

[Caroline]

I know, I just think that Caroline is winding people up.

Listen, I'm not winding anyone up but your obsession with my opinion is doing your standing no good. time to leave it now Martin before yo lose total credibility!

You remind me of the Vonage advert "You're a silly man". 

[Martin]

I am aware of  the discrepancies and have argued long on hard in respect to many of them and stand by what I have said. I have already said I believe Jeremy was framed but famed because they thought he was guilty - not because they knew he was innocent. Not every discrepancy is going to be deliberate and we will all have our own opinions on which we believe were engineered.

That is trolling! You know that nobody thinks that the police framed Bamber, because they knew he was innocent. That is typical Guilty page style sarcasm.

[No-Bits]

You are starting to sound a bit silly now Martin.

Nobody really cares what you say or think, any more than they care what Caroline or Hartley or Tesko or Vidvic think.

It all just sounds a bit daft to me. Am I alone?

[Martin]

You are starting to sound a bit silly now Martin.

Nobody really cares what you say or think, any more than they care what Caroline or Hartley or Tesko or Vidvic think.

It all just sounds a bit daft to me. Am I alone?

Thanks again, Harters, you do have a way of putting things into perspective! But still, we should try to accurately represent another person’s opinion, instead of relying on the old straw man.

[Jane]

Thanks again, Harters, you do have a way of putting things into perspective! But still, we should try to accurately represent another person’s opinion, instead of relying on the old straw man.

So are we to understand that it's on this premise that you've set yourself up as "accurately"  representing/INTERPRETING Caroline's opinions?.......... NEWS FLASH!!!! YOU FAILED.

[Caroline]

That is trolling! You know that nobody thinks that the police framed Bamber, because they knew he was innocent. That is typical Guilty page style sarcasm.

I think you're quite mad!! You have said on many occasions that you believe EP knew Sheila was responsible and yet framed Jeremy. you even TRIED (and failed miserably) to look for similar examples! Now here you are saying that no one believes that they knew Jeremy was innocent? EH?? If (as you say)they knew Sheila was responsible and still alive inside WHF while and Jeremy was with them outside, then they must have known he was innocent You have lost whatever credibility you once had and that's down to you - NOT ME!

How the hell is stating my opinion 'trolling'. If anyone is trolling, it's you, you're certainly stalking my posts. If you don't like what I say, then don't read it but DO NOT pretend to know what I think!! You're making yourself sound flaky! And to be honest, I don't know what your position is on why the police framed Jeremy because you keep changing it!!

[Caroline]

So are we to understand that it's on this premise that you've set yourself up as "accurately"  representing/INTERPRETING Caroline's opinions?.......... NEWS FLASH!!!! YOU FAILED.

It's unbelievable, I think I have been quite restrained under the circumstances but this is getting silly now!!

[lookout]

Thanks again, Harters, you do have a way of putting things into perspective! But still, we should try to accurately represent another person’s opinion, instead of relying on the old straw man.

That makes two of us being silly,,Martin.

[scipio_usmc]

There are different levels of accomplice. Someone who helps plan and or does some other act in furtherence of a conspiracy, someone who actually takes an active role during the commission itself and those who are an accomplice after the fact.

Julie for instance would fall into the latter category if her claims are true. She was helping cover for him till she came clean.

The story Julie claims he told him was that his accomplice was a hit man who carried out the murders.  If he did tell her that, which I believe, it could have been because he didn't want her to think he was so coldblooded as to kill the kids himself.  He didn't want her to think he was  amonster so that was the reason to say someone else did it. Police looked for an acocmplice ever since this.

Brett Collns helped him sell the goods and supposedly had been talking to him before so that is why they suspect he had something to do with it.  There is also a book coming out about their explots together.  It is suspected by some that Collins helped him plan the murders.

It is not so much that he could not have done it on his own as much as they feel it is doubtful Julie was the only one he was talking to about his plans and many see Collins as highly untrustworthy.

Absent Jeremy trying to finger him though it is something that I doubt there would ever be a way to prove and even if Jeremy did that doesn't necessarily mean it is true.

If he verbally helped give Jeremy ideas how could you prove that?  Jerem yowuld have to admit his own guilt to finge rhim.

I have not seen any evidence to date to establish anyone helped Jeremy plan the murders, provided material support or encouraged him to do so.  That doesn't mean it didn't happen just that there is no evidence and he could indeed have carried it out all alone.

Telling Ann Eaton he would soon be co-owner of the caravan site and telling so much to Julie seems pretty foolish on his part so I do wonder who else he told and think he probably did say something to Collins but that doesn't make Collins an accomplice just by being told.

[Adam]

People have said on this board that Jeremy could not have committed the massacre alone. I do not see why not.

He had lots of advantages.

The element of surprise.

A fully loaded rifle with ten bullets. Five head shots, one into each person should at least immobilise them.

Being fully clothed. Being up against two six year olds, a 61 year old woman & small woman. They were all managable even if they woke up. However all of them should be fast asleep.



The only person who could cause problems was Neville. But a couple of good head shots while he was sleeping would resolve that. That is why in my scenario Jeremy entered the main bedroom first.

Things did not go quite to plan. Neville waking up & a brutal fight taking place.