Accomplice, who was he?

[lookout]

 Of course the manner in which a person dies shows on their face. I worked at a hospital long enough to know that one.

[guest154]

  Yeah, of course it's possible EVERY time. 

[lookout]

 You might well roll your eyes.Go and visit a mortuary where someone's been shot/knifed,,then you'd see for yourself.  Not exactly peaceful.

[Alias]

She was at gun point, Alias. Not sure if she cried or not.
And as for looking peaceful in death, I don't think it's fair to think that if you die peacefully you look peaceful and you die by other means it somehow shows on your face - just doesn't work like that.

Jeremy can´t have had Sheila at gunpoint while shooting June, then Nevill and also beating him up! Impossible. If Jeremy did it, he had an accomplice - in my opinion.

Do you know that it doesn´t work like that? That it doesn´t show on your face in what state of mind you were in? It must have been UTTER HORROR in your version. That said, you may be right, it is just that seeing the horrendous photos of June and Nevill, they have an air of despair and chaos about them - Sheila on the other hand looks so tranquil and neat.

[guest154]

Jeremy can´t have had Sheila at gunpoint while shooting June, then Nevill and also beating him up! Impossible. If Jeremy did it, he had an accomplice - in my opinion.

Do you know that it doesn´t work like that? That it doesn´t show on your face in what state of mind you were in?

I do, I was agreeing with you on that. I don't think that juen has a air of despair or chaos about her tbh, and with Ralph it's hard to tell.

[Jan]

to be fair apparently it can depend on when the violent act happened and when the photos were taken. Apparently the facial muscles can relax even if there is an immediate expression of fear or shock

It could have been in the case of SC that it was not so much a matter of being at peace as perhaps she was so out of it that she did not even experience the pain or even realise what she was doing.

I found an excellent article on death investigation on what to look at when you arrive at a scene and if EP had followed even half of it we might not be in this position now.

[maggie]

I do, I was agreeing with you on that. I don't think that juen has a air of despair or chaos about her tbh, and with Ralph it's hard to tell.

I don't agree with that. I hate looking at photo's of June, she looks so dreadful but Sheila looks completely different imo

[Alias]

I don't agree with that. I hate looking at photo's of June, she looks so dreadful but Sheila looks completely different imo

Neither do I. There is a huge difference from June and Nevill to Sheila. It doesn´t prove a thing though, I know that.

[maggie]

You can question things. But posting "A male voice that may not have been his Dad"......is trying to manipluate known facts.

If Jeremy can say that it was his Dad calling, I'm sure it was. He would know. 

Well, that isn't strictly true.  Many people hear and see what they expect to hear and see, if Jeremy picked up the phone and someone who sounded like his dad in a panic said the words he'd expect his father to say it is possible he could accept the voice was that of his father.  Especially if he had been asleep before he answered the phone.
I don't believe that's what happened but it is a possibility.

[maggie]

Neither do I. There is a huge difference from June and Nevill to Sheila. It doesn´t prove a thing though, I know that.

I have never seen a photo of Nevill and don't particularly want to, have only seen the sketched ones.

[Alias]

I have never seen a photo of Nevill and don't particularly want to, have only seen the sketched ones.

It isn´t nice to look at, so don´t! It is just so sad.

[maggie]

It isn´t nice to look at, so don´t! It is just so sad.

I know, I really don't want to see it, no reason to look at it either, so I won't. So dreadful.

[nugnug]

You can question things. But posting "A male voice that may not have been his Dad"......is trying to manipluate known facts.

If Jeremy can say that it was his Dad calling, I'm sure it was. He would know. 

well it may not of been jeremy couldent see him on the other end of the phone could he.

[mike tesko]

Mike, I've been a member here for about two years. Why is it now for, to my knowledge, the first time that this has been posited as a serious possibility? Can you also please explain the reasoning behind leaving Sheila alive to put the blame elsewhere?

Hi April,

Yes I will give a proper explanation during the course of today...

Sheila dying was not part of the joint venture entered into by the accomplice and Sheila, if Jeremy had been the accomplice and Sheila died, it would have scuppered everything, which in the grand scheme of things turned out to be true, but I do not think that Jeremy was Sheila's accomplice, I believe the accomplice is another person, someone who upset Ralph Bamber in the days leading up to the shootings, including an altercation in the vicinity of the barn at whf on the evening before the tragedy, which resulted in Ralph discharging his shotgun around the time, the local resident Smith reported hearing a shotgun blast come from the direction of the farmhouse between 9.30 and 10.15pm, 6th August 1985...

I believe I know the identity of the accomplice, who quickly disappeared from the scene at the time of the shootings, but he did not shoot Sheila, the police did...

[mike tesko]

Anyone planning to kill the family with the intent of getting away with having to pay back huge debts, or simply with the intent on getting their hands on the parents estate(s) would not shoot Sheila, they would require her to live and to be held accountable for what took place, she herself would not in these circumstances have been able to benefit from the parents wills if held accountable or responsible for their deaths, she would arguably have been able to get away with murder on the basis of her mental health condition, but sectioned off and ultimately taken out of the equation as a beneficiary. Sheila left alive would have worked, but Sheila shot and killed changed the whole emphasis of the case. The accomplice did not intend to shoot Sheila, and did not shoot her, she was left at the scene alive to become the patsy...