The Noble Cause Framing Theory

[maggie]

Yes, it doesn't matter what the next of kin wanted, the ring was part of the estate and Jeremy would only have had the right to make such a request once the will was settled. As the funeral was before all the legalities were finalised, Basil didn't do anything wrong. I guess you could argue that he had no right to take Sheila's ring because Jeremy was next of kin and she left no will but it seems pointless to have saved June's rings and let Sheila's be destroyed.

Makes sense Caroline.

[Caroline]

Makes sense Caroline.

I think so - not sure what happened to June's ring but I suspect that Pam would have eventually received it and to be honest, i think it's what June would have wanted.

[Alias]

To me it doesn´t make sense not to at least inform the next of kin.

[grahameb]

What solicitors do in cases of personal rings and jewellery is to exercise disretion and they usually let the next of kin have them so that they are not included in the general estate. What Basil Cock did in this case appears to be unknown.

[Jane]

I think so - not sure what happened to June's ring but I suspect that Pam would have eventually received it and to be honest, i think it's what June would have wanted.

Caroline, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's within the remit of the executor's discretion to override written bequests, and for them to say who gets what.

[Caroline]

Caroline, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's within the remit of the executor's discretion to override written bequests, and for them to say who gets what.

I have no idea April, I think in this case Basil perhaps didn't seen why the jewellery should be destroyed and knowing the family well, he perhaps thought that it would be a waste and that family members would like to keep them. The undertakes policy was to have the jewellery removed anyway so it's perhaps what Jeremy wanted is a moot point.  The next of kin wouldn't have any say in what ultimately happened (in this case) so maybe they just thought it best not to tell him. But I have no idea where the OS get the notion that one of the officers took the rings? (which was the original point - I think?).

[Jane]

I have no idea April, I think in this case Basil perhaps didn't seen why the jewellery should be destroyed and knowing the family well, he perhaps thought that it would be a waste and that family members would like to keep them. The undertakes policy was to have the jewellery removed anyway so it's perhaps what Jeremy wanted is a moot point.  The next of kin wouldn't have any say in what ultimately happened (in this case) so maybe they just thought it best not to tell him. But I have no idea where the OS get the notion that one of the officers took the rings? (which was the original point - I think?).

We've moved a long way from it, but officers/rings was indeed the original point :D

[lookout]

 Do you think we've missed anything out,girls and boy ? Any little details you can think of ?

[Alias]

Do you think we've missed anything out,girls and boy ? Any little details you can think of ?

Do you have anything in mind?

[lookout]

Do you have anything in mind?

Not at the moment,,  Alias. I've been trying to unearth something by going through different links.

[Jan]

interesting watching this forum as a bystander. It is getting more and more like a forum that is doing the opposite of what it was intended to do.

A lot of posts have been wasted because the question of mine was not that JB did not know that the rings had not stayed on his mothers fingers as he requested,but that at a later date it seems that he might have found out  who actually got the rings and that the method by which they arrived at a certain member of his familys possession , may not have been the method/way  that he was lead to believe.

So as we can not prove that at the moment I suggest you do not waste your time any more.

Over and out.

[No-Bits]

interesting watching this forum as a bystander. It is getting more and more like a forum that is doing the opposite of what it was intended to do.

A lot of posts have been wasted because the question of mine was not that JB did not know that the rings had not stayed on his mothers fingers as he requested,but that at a later date it seems that he might have found out  who actually got the rings and that the method by which they arrived at a certain member of his familys possession , may not have been the method/way  that he was lead to believe.

So as we can not prove that at the moment I suggest you do not waste your time any more.

Over and out.

May I ask what in your view, is the forums intended goal?

[Caroline]

interesting watching this forum as a bystander. It is getting more and more like a forum that is doing the opposite of what it was intended to do.

A lot of posts have been wasted because the question of mine was not that JB did not know that the rings had not stayed on his mothers fingers as he requested,but that at a later date it seems that he might have found out  who actually got the rings and that the method by which they arrived at a certain member of his familys possession , may not have been the method/way  that he was lead to believe.

So as we can not prove that at the moment I suggest you do not waste your time any more.

Over and out.

The reason I believe Colin's version is because he is independent from the relatives and he states that the family didn't even know that the rings had been preserved. It was only because 'Colin' told the relatives that Basil had kept them that they knew they weren't destroyed.

I don't understand what you mean by "It is getting more and more like a forum that is doing the opposite of what it was intended to do" The intention of the forum is to 'debate' the case which is what we're doing.

[grahameb]

The reason I believe Colin's version is because he is independent from the relatives and he states that the family didn't even know that the rings had been preserved. It was only because 'Colin' told the relatives that Basil had kept them that they knew they weren't destroyed.

I don't understand what you mean by "It is getting more and more like a forum that is doing the opposite of what it was intended to do" The intention of the forum is to 'debate' the case which is what were doing.

I think it wise to acknowledge that whilst Jeremy's version may not be correct, nevertheless we must remember that he is in prison and can only come to certain conclusions because (1) He has only the information that he is being fed by others, who themselves have incorrect information and (2) Hid mental health must suffer in that place even to the extent of paranoia? He himself probably believes his version to be the correct one.

[Caroline]

I think it wise to acknowledge that whilst Jeremy's version may not be correct, nevertheless we must remember that he is in prison and can only come to certain conclusions because (1) He has only the information that he is being fed by others, who themselves have incorrect information and (2) Hid mental health must suffer in that place even to the extent of paranoia? He himself probably believes his version to be the correct one.

I'm not saying his version isn't correct - this is only MY opinion, others are free to believe whatever they like. Plus, it's not really down to Jeremy to check the info on the OS, the campaign team should be checking it before they publish it because it leads to criticism of the site. It would be interesting to know 'where' the OS claims originated?