The Noble Cause Framing Theory

[Alias]

Alias, forgive me for blowing my own trumpet, but the above is what I posted earlier. The more I think about it, frankly the more I wonder what Colin was on to encourage his mentally ill wife into the use of the occult, however benign the tarot might be. This, I have to confess, isn't the view I held back in the 90's when I was in no way averse to using the tarot, however, I wasn't mentally fragile. NOW, I can quite see that June and Nevill might have had serious misgivings about Colin's influence on Sheila.

I was interested/AMUSED that Pam refused to let Colin see Granny Speakman, supposedly because he may remind her of the past. Equally as likely, I imagine, that Granny, a hell fires and brimstone Christian, whose God smote all and sundry, saw Colin as something conjured up by the Devil , who was responsible for her granddaughters further fall from grace and possibly the cause of her strange behaviour.

It is also worth noting that ANY foray into the dark arts can have the most CATASTROPHIC effect on those who are mentally ill.

You don´t have to ask for forgiveness from me!! And I agree with what you say. 

OK, Caroline, I read it too quickly during my lunchbreak, it was all there.

Who gave Cock orders to tell the undertaker to remove the rings? It wasn´t Jeremy.

[Alias]

Hi Alias, I am sure I have read a claim somewhere that Jeremy DID sit on his tractor dressed in a tutu or something like that.  Can't remember quite who or why this was said but am pretty sure it was, don't think I have dreamed it. 

Really?! I wish you could remember where you saw that!

[Alias]

I was wondering who this Michael Bentine was who Colin mentions. Seems he was mainly a comedian (you all know him of course!) with a variety of other interests, among others:

His interests included parapsychology. This was as a result of his and his family's extensive research into the paranormal, which resulted in his writing The Door Marked Summer and The Doors of the Mind. He was, for the final years of his life, president of the Association for the Scientific Study of Anomalous Phenomena.

[Caroline]

You don´t have to ask for forgiveness from me!! And I agree with what you say. 

OK, Caroline, I read it too quickly during my lunchbreak, it was all there.

Who gave Cock orders to tell the undertaker to remove the rings? It wasn´t Jeremy.

As executor of the will, all assets were under his authority. The rings can be seen as assets and it 'could' be argued that that's all Basil was doing.

[grahameb]

As Grahame said, they have in the past - we shall have to see.

Of course it depends on which is the correct version?

[maggie]

Really?! I wish you could remember where you saw that!

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4386.msg180380.html#msg180380
I think the above link is an answer to a complaint Jeremy made to the BBC about a programme which was shown quite a while back, I am sure it was in the original letter or transcript of the programme where there is mention of Jeremy driving the tractor wearing a fairy dress or something like that.  Mike knows he should be able to tell is unless someone tells us first.  ?

[grahameb]

Hi Alias, I am sure I have read a claim somewhere that Jeremy DID sit on his tractor dressed in a tutu or something like that.  Can't remember quite who or why this was said but am pretty sure it was, don't think I have dreamed it. 

Sounds like a dream to me? Reminds me of the time I dreamt I was in Southend Victoria Circus completely naked with no place to hide. I could have done with a tutu then.

[Caroline]

Of course it depends on which is the correct version?

Well, the relatives had no idea that the rings had been saved. If EP had intervened it would have been because the relatives asked them to. Basil Cock himself told Colin how he received the rings just after the funerals and Jeremy knew nothing about it until 2013. Now which do you think it the real story?

[Jane]

Hi Alias, I am sure I have read a claim somewhere that Jeremy DID sit on his tractor dressed in a tutu or something like that.  Can't remember quite who or why this was said but am pretty sure it was, don't think I have dreamed it. 

Maggie, back in the 80's, my then husband and I were invited to friends for a meal. I was putting my face on when he asked me what he should wear. I told him to look in the wardrobe. After a few minutes he called to me that he'd got the wine and would wait in the car. When I joined him I discovered he was wearing one of my dresses . During the 25 mile drive we were overtaken by a police car. They did a double take and grinned. We arrived. He unfolded himself from the car, all 6'3", shoulder length hair and full beard in a gypsy style dress Some wedding guests passed by. One of them remarked on that "bloody young fool. What does he think he looks like." Said wedding guest was all of 5'3" wearing a hired morning suit with a coat which brushed the top of his shoes and a top hat which sat on top of his ears and made them stand out like Dumbo's. I couldn't resist asking him when he'd last looked at himself in a mirror. Neither of us saw it as being a big deal  -he definitely didn't make a habit of it- and we certainly didn't think it in any way offensive, but we thought it was HUGELY amusing when people reacted like the man in the hat.

[maggie]

Maggie, back in the 80's, my then husband and I were invited to friends for a meal. I was putting my face on when he asked me what he should wear. I told him to look in the wardrobe. After a few minutes he called to me that he'd got the wine and would wait in the car. When I joined him I discovered he was wearing one of my dresses . During the 25 mile drive we were overtaken by a police car. They did a double take and grinned. We arrived. He unfolded himself from the car, all 6'3", shoulder length hair and full beard in a gypsy style dress Some wedding guests passed by. One of them remarked on that "bloody young fool. What does he think he looks like." Said wedding guest was all of 5'3" wearing a hired morning suit with a coat which brushed the top of his shoes and a top hat which sat on top of his ears and made them stand out like Dumbo's. I couldn't resist asking him when he'd last looked at himself in a mirror. Neither of us saw it as being a big deal  -he definitely didn't make a habit of it- and we certainly didn't think it in any way offensive, but we thought it was HUGELY amusing when people reacted like the man in the hat.

Hi April, sounds like fun 

[grahameb]

Of course it depends on which is the correct version?

Well, the relatives had no idea that the rings had been saved. If EP had intervened it would have been because the relatives asked them to. Basil Cock himself told Colin how he received the rings just after the funerals and Jeremy knew nothing about it until 2013. Now which do you think it the real story?

Sounds like deception to me. So why didn't Jeremy hear about it til 2013? One could forgive him for thinking his story to be correct. As clearly he knew that the rings were given to Ann Eaton and they probably were? It certainly doesn't show the relatives in a good light does it, whichever version you care to believe?

[Jane]

Well, the relatives had no idea that the rings had been saved. If EP had intervened it would have been because the relatives asked them to. Basil Cock himself told Colin how he received the rings just after the funerals and Jeremy knew nothing about it until 2013. Now which do you think it the real story?

Caroline, at which point did Ann ask Jeremy for "Aunt June's" jewellery and didn't she take some with her, overseen by Basil Cock, supposedly for safe keeping after Jeremy had refused to let her have it.

[susan]

April I agree sounds like loads of fun to me the type of fun I like bet you have never forgot it

[susan]

Sorry Caroline for not keeping up but who told Jeremy in 2013 about the rings.

[Caroline]

Caroline, at which point did Ann ask Jeremy for "Aunt June's" jewellery and didn't she take some with her, overseen by Basil Cock, supposedly for safe keeping after Jeremy had refused to let her have it.

They took the jewellery on the day they 'supposedly' found the silencer on the instruction of BC. AE asked for the ring later, I guess when they were discussing the funerals.