The Noble Cause Framing Theory

[lookout]

When you think about it,,at the end of the day it's only a job,and says nothing whatsoever about the person doing that job,,,whatever it is,,or however high up the ladder they may be.
No more bowing and scraping,or standing on ceremony for me,,I've learned.

[grahameb]

I don't think anyone reading Colin's book could fail to notice that his ideas are somewhat flaky. However, this page show that it was Basil Cock who rescued the rings and not EP - the rest is just deflecting from the original issue.

Shouldn't have Basil Cock have been acting in the interest of the estate and the next of kin ie Jeremy? It appears to me that he was communicating mich more with the extended family?

[grahameb]

Hi Caroline,,I wouldn't even begin to read his book. My life has stood me in good stead against people like him with their " sob stories ".Can't be doing with them.

A for instance during my nursing career-----------a consultant who thought he was God,,and gave the air that he was above others,,was so well thought of by EVERYONE,bar me,,who used to work for him,,that whatever would be said against him,would duly have been dismissed.
He was a pioneer in his field,,but I was getting vibes that worried me and I couldn't tell anyone,because naturally,they wouldn't have believed little old me.
However as time went on,,I kept picking up " odd " habits with him---------like dipping Kit-Kat biscs. in his chicken soup. Okay,,I thought,,he's developed the " potty professor " syndrome.
To cut a long story short,not forgetting I frequented his office quite regularly ( which was like a bin ) hunting for case notes which were literally all over the place.

I'd mentioned a few things to the manager,subtly,,and as I expected,she shunned whatever I had to say.
I continued to work for this consultant,,and when he went on holiday,,I decided to tidy his office as I went on my daily tasks.
When I was in his office,,there was a knock on the door and I opened it to a patient who was crying her eyes out. With the patient,,was a man,,well suited and booted and carrying a brief case.I explained that Mr X was on holiday,and could I take a message,etc.
No,,said the man,,but we'll be back !

Back from holiday,,Mr X,,was arrested ! I hadn't known the full extent of his offences,,but had had this gut-feeling for a long time.
It turned out that he ended up being one of five serious offenders in the NHS,,along with Allett,Shipman,etc.
The feeling I had at the time was the obvious guilt I'd had at not being believed of my suspicions. He was sent to Strangeways prison and served 6 years. His crime was hypnotising patients and then assaulting them.
He presently lives in Dubai.No NHS pension,and struck off the register.
It makes me feel heartily sick when he was claimed to be a " miracle-worker " at the time,when I knew that something was radically wrong,,but everyone else was taken-in by the fact that he'd developed this pioneering fertility treatment !! Yuk yuk yuk. If I'd have had a gun,,I'd have shot him. He had the ruddy cheek to say,one day," that there was something strange about ME !    B'stard.

He probably knew you were on to him lookout?

[maggie]

When you think about it,,at the end of the day it's only a job,and says nothing whatsoever about the person doing that job,,,whatever it is,,or however high up the ladder they may be.
No more bowing and scraping,or standing on ceremony for me,,I've learned.

We all learn with time lookout but back then a student nurse was about as low as you could get to these power crazy consultants, they had no real respect from the nurses
Your guy was no doubt a total controlling freakish monster....  sad but true.  The one I am particularly remembering was a Sir, knighted for his services to medicine ..... sexual predator if you ask me!!!

[tyler]

I believe Granny Speakman was originally led to believe that the WHOLE of the Bamber family had been killed. Does anyone have proof that she was ever actually told that Jeremy survived? She changed her will as per RWB's advice,is it possible that she was deceived? A very good reason for not wanting Colin coming face to face with GS.

[maggie]

He probably knew you were on to him lookout?

Hi Lookout/Grahame, think people like that sense when they've been rumbled and tried to rubbish you for it.

[grahameb]

I believe Granny Speakman was originally led to believe that the WHOLE of the Bamber family had been killed. Does anyone have proof that she was ever actually told that Jeremy survived? She changed her will as per RWB's advice,is it possible that she was deceived? A very good reason for not wanting Colin coming face to face with GS.

Makes you wonder doesn't it?

[susan]

Hello tyler  good point I got the impression she thought the whole family had been killed including Jeremy that is why she changed her will have read that somewhere but is it true how would I know but it makes sense what you have just said.

[maggie]

I believe Granny Speakman was originally led to believe that the WHOLE of the Bamber family had been killed. Does anyone have proof that she was ever actually told that Jeremy survived? She changed her will as per RWB's advice,is it possible that she was deceived? A very good reason for not wanting Colin coming face to face with GS.

Hi tyler,  that's an interesting thought and very possibly could have been what happened.  Would certainly have been a good reason to keep Colin away from her.

[lookout]

I believe Granny Speakman was originally led to believe that the WHOLE of the Bamber family had been killed. Does anyone have proof that she was ever actually told that Jeremy survived? She changed her will as per RWB's advice,is it possible that she was deceived? A very good reason for not wanting Colin coming face to face with GS.

There was method in their madness that's for sure,,something that I'd have sussed.

[lookout]

He probably knew you were on to him lookout?

I think so Grahame. Strange person indeed. Now if he'd said suspicious person---------------------

[lookout]

Hi tyler,  that's an interesting thought and very possibly could have been what happened.  Would certainly have been a good reason to keep Colin away from her.

Sounds a bit like " I forgot the date the NOTW signed me up ".

[lookout]

Didn't everyone appear to have selective memories ?

[lookout]

It's the things that you can't remember that you'd rather forget !!

[lookout]

" Skull-Cracker "---------13 life sentences---------Open prison-----------Erm ? Now Escaped !