The Noble Cause Framing Theory

[Caroline]

I don't think anyone reading Colin's book could fail to notice that his ideas are somewhat flaky. However, this page show that it was Basil Cock who rescued the rings and not EP - the rest is just deflecting from the original issue.

[maggie]

I don't think anyone reading Colin's book could fail to notice that his ideas are somewhat flaky. However, this page show that it was Basil Cock who rescued the rings and not EP - the rest is just deflecting from the original issue.

True enough Caroline .

[Caroline]

Do you think that the official site will correct their rubbish? I think not.

As Grahame said, they have in the past - we shall have to see.

[Caroline]

Caroline/Martin. I think p.172 revealed much more to me this time round than when I first read it!! I found myself amazed by the amount of "stuff" Colin was told by others. We have the Pargeters telling him that having ascertained that beautiful family jewellery, presumably of some value was going through the cremator, Jeremy "laughed and rubbed his hands with glee"!!!! (THIS from  the guy who was grabbing everything possible to SELL) I'm tempted to say it was Dickensian but I'm more inclined to think it has a Boutflour/Eaton ring to it...................as does the suggestion of transvestitism. Also of interest is Colin's concern that Jeremy had made some "Faustian pact" with his dark side. Such hypocrisy from someone who, along with Sheila, clearly dabbled in the arcane arts via the tarots. I don't imagine Jeremy knew MANY who did.

I was interested/AMUSED that Pam refused to let Colin see Granny Speakman, supposedly because he may remind her of the past. Equally as likely, I imagine, that Granny, a hell fires and brimstone Christian, whose God smote all and sundry, saw Colin as something conjured up by the Devil , who was responsible for her granddaughters further fall from grace and possibly the cause of her strange behaviour.

It is also worth noting that ANY foray into the dark arts can have the most CATASTROPHIC effect on those who are mentally ill.

I did wonder why he would be rubbing his hands with glee? That doesn't seem to make sense and as they weren't cremated with the rings on - when was he told they were, or was he told at all? 'Rubbing his hands with glee' (I believe) was an add on.

[lookout]

I don't think anyone reading Colin's book could fail to notice that his ideas are somewhat flaky. However, this page show that it was Basil Cock who rescued the rings and not EP - the rest is just deflecting from the original issue.

Hi Caroline,,I wouldn't even begin to read his book. My life has stood me in good stead against people like him with their " sob stories ".Can't be doing with them.

A for instance during my nursing career-----------a consultant who thought he was God,,and gave the air that he was above others,,was so well thought of by EVERYONE,bar me,,who used to work for him,,that whatever would be said against him,would duly have been dismissed.
He was a pioneer in his field,,but I was getting vibes that worried me and I couldn't tell anyone,because naturally,they wouldn't have believed little old me.
However as time went on,,I kept picking up " odd " habits with him---------like dipping Kit-Kat biscs. in his chicken soup. Okay,,I thought,,he's developed the " potty professor " syndrome.
To cut a long story short,not forgetting I frequented his office quite regularly ( which was like a bin ) hunting for case notes which were literally all over the place.

I'd mentioned a few things to the manager,subtly,,and as I expected,she shunned whatever I had to say.
I continued to work for this consultant,,and when he went on holiday,,I decided to tidy his office as I went on my daily tasks.
When I was in his office,,there was a knock on the door and I opened it to a patient who was crying her eyes out. With the patient,,was a man,,well suited and booted and carrying a brief case.I explained that Mr X was on holiday,and could I take a message,etc.
No,,said the man,,but we'll be back !

Back from holiday,,Mr X,,was arrested ! I hadn't known the full extent of his offences,,but had had this gut-feeling for a long time.
It turned out that he ended up being one of five serious offenders in the NHS,,along with Allett,Shipman,etc.
The feeling I had at the time was the obvious guilt I'd had at not being believed of my suspicions. He was sent to Strangeways prison and served 6 years. His crime was hypnotising patients and then assaulting them.
He presently lives in Dubai.No NHS pension,and struck off the register.
It makes me feel heartily sick when he was claimed to be a " miracle-worker " at the time,when I knew that something was radically wrong,,but everyone else was taken-in by the fact that he'd developed this pioneering fertility treatment !! Yuk yuk yuk. If I'd have had a gun,,I'd have shot him. He had the ruddy cheek to say,one day," that there was something strange about ME !    B'stard.   

[lookout]

These are the kind of facts that I'd put in a book if I wrote one. The True,no nonsense grit,,minus the sob stories,,where I had to continue working as though nothing had happened,and it was worldwide news. No counselling for me.!

[susan]

Hello lookout  I would imagine when you were nursing you would have been hard working and loyal with a great deal of back bone it is a pity you had not been listened to earlier but quite often people do not want the truth they prefer to live in ignorance and have no thoughts for the victim this has been proved with events unfolding after the Savile revelations and now they are all being brought out of the woodwork and dealt with pity Savile escaped his prison sentence.  Well done to you lookout for being the honest strong person you are the world could do with more people like you as you will stand up and be counted whether it makes you popular or not.

[Alias]

The rings were still removed against Jeremy´s (the next of kin) wish. And it seems nobody told him that they were removed, which is WRONG.
Jeremy jumping up and down with glee and rubbing his hands??? I call BS on that one! It makes no sense at all
It doesn´t say who removed the rings.
I don´t understand though that Jeremy only learned about this in 2013 - it is in Colin´s book, hasn´t he read it? I find that hard to believe.

P.S. I think Colin was prevented by the relatives from seeing granny Speakman because she thought Jeremy was innocent. That wouldn´t fit with their (obvious) "working on" Colin.

[lookout]

Hello lookout  I would imagine when you were nursing you would have been hard working and loyal with a great deal of back bone it is a pity you had not been listened to earlier but quite often people do not want the truth they prefer to live in ignorance and have no thoughts for the victim this has been proved with events unfolding after the Savile revelations and now they are all being brought out of the woodwork and dealt with pity Savile escaped his prison sentence.  Well done to you lookout for being the honest strong person you are the world could do with more people like you as you will stand up and be counted whether it makes you popular or not.

Hi Susan,,I was absolutely dedicated to my job,no doubt about that,and I was all for the patients and their welfare. This all blew up in about 1999 or thereabouts,,and roughly ten years later,the manager who I'd told of my suspicions ( Godzilla ) actually apologised to me and said how much misery could have been avoided if she'd listened to what I'd said.
I didn't make a big deal out of her apology,,nor am I the type to have said " about time too ". I just said that hindsight was a wonderful thing,,or words to that effect.

The monster in question is on the internet,,as after all these years,,I've only just looked for his name.Needless to say,,I haven't opened the link as yet to read it. How strange is that ?
Because of people like him,,it's made me even more wary of people in so-called high-places who are held in high-esteem.
Probably his reason why he thought " I was a strange person " was that I wasn't as vulnerable as his patients,who'd likened him to God ! Honestly,,my blood used to boil when his patients used to praise him in such a way. How I kept my mouth shut at times,I don't know   
His name is Darwish,,and sad to say,my name used to be listed with his when it was his clinic day. My name,,,next to that of a monster ! That's what got to me.
After that,,I took off to Australia, still thinking about the poor women that he'd duped.

Although I say it myself,,those who knew me at the time,and know me well now,,haven't got a bad word to say,,as I've never wronged anyone.
Susan,,the ones who don't like my honesty,,are exactly the ones who are not worth bothering with.
I will always stand against anyone,,without fear,,simply because I am honest,with nothing and no-one to fear at any time.
Given time,,I often wonder if I'd have stood up to this monster. I can't answer that one,as I don't know,when the world and his wife was once on his side.

I think a lot of my strength came from a courtroom in Sydney,when I sat through the trial of Lindy Chamberlain,,and the Dingo who took her baby. I'd believed that her and her then husband weren't guilty of murder,,while people were jeering and carrying on to the poor woman and her lovely husband.
That made me realise something about people in general.

P.S.my story is the best seller.

[lookout]

The rings were still removed against Jeremy´s (the next of kin) wish. And it seems nobody told him that they were removed, which is WRONG.
Jeremy jumping up and down with glee and rubbing his hands??? I call BS on that one! It makes no sense at all
It doesn´t say who removed the rings.
I don´t understand though that Jeremy only learned about this in 2013 - it is in Colin´s book, hasn´t he read it? I find that hard to believe.

P.S. I think Colin was prevented by the relatives from seeing granny Speakman because she thought Jeremy was innocent. That wouldn´t fit with their (obvious) "working on" Colin.

How right you are,Alias. On all counts. He was the manipulator !! The sh1t stirrer.

[susan]

lookout you are a very honest strong lady and humourous as well and bring a smile to my face often

[lookout]

lookout you are a very honest strong lady and humourous as well and bring a smile to my face often

I was the same at work,,Susan. With colleagues and patients alike.

[lookout]

lookout you are a very honest strong lady and humourous as well and bring a smile to my face often

Looking back,,I think it might have been the way I told the manager about the consultant,because what I'd said was; " that I think he's doing his own DIY fertility treatment ".To which she looked at me as if I had horns coming out of my head. Then I obviously explained in the right manner,,but she still poo-ppoed it,as she sat overflowing on her chair munching her 6th packet of crisps !

[maggie]

Looking back,,I think it might have been the way I told the manager about the consultant,because what I'd said was; " that I think he's doing his own DIY fertility treatment ".To which she looked at me as if I had horns coming out of my head. Then I obviously explained in the right manner,,but she still poo-ppoed it,as she sat overflowing on her chair munching her 6th packet of crisps !

Hi Lookout, in my experience there were some VERY suspect consultants around back in the day, (am speaking about early 70s) I saw some stuff in outpatients consultations that was questionable at the least and some of it pretty unacceptable.  We all knew about these people but back then they had all the power and were pretty untouchable.
Glad your guy who was way, way out of line got caught, we know psychopaths are drawn to these powerful positions for their own ends NOT for their dedication to medicine, however brilliant the may be in their field.

[lookout]

Hi Lookout, in my experience there were some VERY suspect consultants around back in the day, (am speaking about early 70s) I saw some stuff in outpatients consultations that was questionable at the least and some of it pretty unacceptable.  We all knew about these people but back then they had all the power and were pretty untouchable.
Glad your guy who was way, way out of line got caught, we know psychopaths are drawn to these powerful positions for their own ends NOT for their dedication to medicine, however brilliant the may be in their field.

Maggie,,we were taught,,and brought up,as kids,to show respect where it was recognised and deemed necessary,,but this is a two-way thing which you only realise later on as you get older and wiser when you learn who to respect or not,as the case may be.
I lost all respect for this guy when he told me I was a strange person. Whether or not he'd gathered that I'd become suspicious of him,I don't know,,but I'd say it was because of certain things I said or did. The day we nearly had a stand-up fight because I " dared " to put case-notes in order,was the day I'd asked him what his problem with that was. Other clinics around the hospital who needed certain notes had been met with a mountainous mess of case-notes which other nurses or secretaries had to wade through in order to find what they were looking for. It obviously made sense,before his clinic,to straighten things out,,but he was like a mad man,though I gave him as good,back.
It was at times like these as well,that I suspected he was a dangerous man. I suppose in a way,,I was waiting for him to lash out if I'm honest,,then it would have given me the excuse that I needed,,but it didn't happen. He was probably itching to slap me, .I'd have walloped him back,,,self-defence you see. He now has a look of Shipman. 

Oh yes,,Maggie. I saw a few" carry-on nurse" situations,,in the past,,where I was told " you haven't seen me ". I could indeed write a book of work experiences alone.