The Noble Cause Framing Theory

[Martin]

I'm sure he will congratulate you for shooting down what was becoming propaganda.

Either that or you'll wake up to a 4 paragraph post that talks about your genetics/moral code/real agenda and your star signs for the month. 

You're callin' the shots, kid!

[Caroline]

So  what is preventimg you from posting this other version Caroline? Also your source could prove interesting too.

Because I had to find it Grahame - couldn't quite remember where I'd seen it but you're in luck because I have found it. It's from Colin's book and the passage is as follows

(From In Search of the Rainbows End by Colin Caffell Chapter 17, page 172)

On 16th February June's mother Granny Speakman, passed away peacefully, at the age of ninety-five. I was especially sad because since the shootings, Pam had not allowed me to visit her in case I caused a traumatic reminder of her family. That weekend I also went to tea at the Pargeter's, where I met several of Bamb's cousins and learnt a little more about what had been going on - not a lot but a few things finally began falling into place.
They were all as anxious as I was to see the legal proceedings commence but none were looking forward to the committal with any relish. There was, however, one thing they said that afternoon which bothered me; something they had also thought very strange but hadn't yet made a connection. They told me how Jeremy had given instructions that his parents and Bamb;s should be cremated with their rings on, and that once he was satisfied that this has happened he had been laughing and rubbing his hands with glee. The undertaker had apparently been upset at having to do this because it was not a normal procedure at cremations.
'But they weren't destroyed in the cremation' I said And then explained that Neville's executor. Mr Cock, had told me he had them all in his safe. Not knowing of Jeremy's earlier instructions, I had already asked for Bamb's wedding ring. He must have gone behind Jeremy's back and overruled that decision."

[Caroline]

There is no doubt that Caroline’s change of position has altered the balance of the forum to a pro guilt bias. Her basic routine, now, is to play the roll we had preciously seen carried out by such astute posters as Hartley, Bridget and Ian Stephens in various disguises and of course Steve_uk.

There is a saying “handsome is as handsome does” and the same applies to “pro guilt” or to any other description. The fact of the matter is that Caroline is undoubtedly, nowadays, giving her full support to the pro guilt side on a number of crucial issues and her tone when talking about Jeremy has become one which, at times, strongly hints at an underlying loathing of someone she believes is guilty.

She is fully entitled to change her opinion on the case, but for a person in her position of administrator to misrepresent her intentions is a cause for concern.

Talk of doubts and opinions is besides the point, here. The fact is that Caroline is, from a practical point, of view committed to opposing Jeremy’s defence with respect to prima facie evidence of his innocence and this opposition has already become routine and predictable. I am talking about all of that evidence which his defence believe points to Sheila’s death having occurred at a time when Jeremy was with the police.

I am not assuming that you agree with any of my opinions on any aspect of the case, but your posts are very much valued and I hope that you will return soon, Jansus.

What? No horoscope? 

[grahameb]

Because I had to find it Grahame - couldn't quite remember where I'd seen it but you're in luck because I have found it. It's from Colin's book and the passage is as follows

(From In Search of the Rainbows End by Colin Caffell Chapter 17, page 172)

On 16th February June's mother Granny Speakman, passed away peacefully, at the age of ninety-five. I was especially sad because since the shootings, Pam had not allowed me to visit her in case I caused a traumatic reminder of her family. That weekend I also went to tea at the Pargeter's, where I met several of Bamb's cousins and learnt a little more about what had been going on - not a lot but a few things finally began falling into place.
They were all as anxious as I was to see the legal proceedings commence but none were looking forward to the committal with any relish. There was, however, one thing they said that afternoon which bothered me; something they had also thought very strange but hadn't yet made a connection. They told me how Jeremy had given instructions that his parents and Bamb;s should be cremated with their rings on, and that once he was satisfied that this has happened he had been laughing and rubbing his hands with glee. The undertaker had apparently been upset at having to do this because it was not a normal procedure at cremations.
'But they weren't destroyed in the cremation' I said And then explained that Neville's executor. Mr Cock, had told me he had them all in his safe. Not knowing of Jeremy's earlier instructions, I had already asked for Bamb's wedding ring. He must have gone behind Jeremy's back and overruled that decision."

Thank you Caroline. I don't remember reading that when I read the book? It was of course a long time ago when I read it, I got it from the library and of course had to return it.

[Caroline]

Thank you Caroline. I don't remember reading that when I read the book? It was of course a long time ago when I read it, I got it from the library and of course had to return it.

Should have done this in the first place 

[Martin]

Should have done this in the first place 

From In Search of the Rainbow’s End

"My thoughts immediately went back to what Maggie had told me
about psychometry, which is an ability some mediums have to view a
whole scenario just by holding an item of jewellery or clothing, It is
well known that the police occasionally use clairvoyants to help them
in their investigations. Maybe this was what Jeremy was afraid of.

“It had troubled me for some time that Jeremy had possibly made
what Michael Bentine had described as a ‘Faustian pact’ with the
darker side of his own mind. His description of such a person sent a
shudder of recognition through me when I read it- especially when I
thought back to the party. Was it also possible that Jeremy had been
getting involved in some form of occult practice or ritual magic? In
the light of what I had just heard, it was not beyond the bounds of
reality.

I was also told, that day, that Jeremy had displayed overt
transvestite tendencies, sometimes appearing around the village
dressed as a woman. On one occasion, in the supermarket at the
family’s caravan site, his disguise was so good the woman behind the…"
(copied with GT Text)

I find this disturbing reading, but it, possibly, helps me to understand how, probably, a good many people of think and of how misunderstandings can occur.

However much sympathy we have for Colin Caffell, there is good reason to question the reliability of his judgement when it comes to his opinions about Jeremy.

[Caroline]

From In Search of the Rainbow’s End

"My thoughts immediately went back to what Maggie had told me
about psychometry, which is an ability some mediums have to view a
whole scenario just by holding an item of jewellery or clothing, It is
well known that the police occasionally use clairvoyants to help them
in their investigations. Maybe this was what Jeremy was afraid of.


“It had troubled me for some time that Jeremy had possibly made
what Michael Bentine had described as a ‘Faustian pact’ with the
darker side of his own mind. His description of such a person sent a
shudder of recognition through me when I read it- especially when I
thought back to the party. Was it also possible that Jeremy had been
getting involved in some form of occult practice or ritual magic? In
the light of what I had just heard, it was not beyond the bounds of
reality.
I was also told, that day, that Jeremy had displayed overt
transvestite tendencies, sometimes appearing around the village
dressed as a woman. On one occasion, in the supermarket at the
family’s caravan site, his disguise was so good the woman behind the…"

(copied with GT Text)

I find this disturbing reading, but it, possibly, helps me to understand how, probably, a good many people of think and of how misunderstandings can occur.

However much sympathy we have for Colin Caffell, there is good reason to question the reliability of his judgement when it comes to his opinions about Jeremy.

The point of posting the page was to prove that the passage that I typed came from Colin's book. Interesting that you picked up on the comment farther down the page. I don't think anyone seriously believes that Jeremy was a transvestite but it would also not make any difference to whether or not he was a MOJ case.

But lets get back to the POINT which was that Basil Cock had the wedding rings and not a police officer.

[guest154]

The point of posting the page was to prove that the passage that I typed came from Colin's book. Interesting that you picked up on the comment farther down the page. I don't think anyone seriously believes that Jeremy was a transvestite but it would also not make any difference to whether or not he was a MOJ case.

But lets get back to the POINT which was that Basil Cock had the wedding rings and not a police officer.

Do you think that the official site will correct their rubbish? I think not.

[Martin]

The point of posting the page was to prove that the passage that I typed came from Colin's book. Interesting that you picked up on the comment farther down the page. I don't think anyone seriously believes that Jeremy was a transvestite but it would also not make any difference to whether or not he was a MOJ case.

But lets get back to the POINT which was that Basil Cock had the wedding rings and not a police officer.

Point taken, Caroline. But I thought that the passage in question was worth quoting for it’s own sake, because it gives a real insight into how Jeremy became a demonized defendant, something which also happened to Sion Jenkins and to Amanda Knox. Knox was described by one italian lawyer as a "she-devil".

Sadly, many people, possibly a majority, are too easily fooled by that kind of crap.

[grahameb]

Do you think that the official site will correct their rubbish? I think not.

I think Caroline said that before when something was pointed out to them that was wrong they corrected it? I don't think that those who run the OS want to deliberately deceive people. I think they genuinely want to correct a miscarriage of justice? I see no reason to demonise them.

[Jane]

Caroline/Martin. I think p.172 revealed much more to me this time round than when I first read it!! I found myself amazed by the amount of "stuff" Colin was told by others. We have the Pargeters telling him that having ascertained that beautiful family jewellery, presumably of some value was going through the cremator, Jeremy "laughed and rubbed his hands with glee"!!!! (THIS from  the guy who was grabbing everything possible to SELL) I'm tempted to say it was Dickensian but I'm more inclined to think it has a Boutflour/Eaton ring to it...................as does the suggestion of transvestitism. Also of interest is Colin's concern that Jeremy had made some "Faustian pact" with his dark side. Such hypocrisy from someone who, along with Sheila, clearly dabbled in the arcane arts via the tarots. I don't imagine Jeremy knew MANY who did.

I was interested/AMUSED that Pam refused to let Colin see Granny Speakman, supposedly because he may remind her of the past. Equally as likely, I imagine, that Granny, a hell fires and brimstone Christian, whose God smote all and sundry, saw Colin as something conjured up by the Devil , who was responsible for her granddaughters further fall from grace and possibly the cause of her strange behaviour.

It is also worth noting that ANY foray into the dark arts can have the most CATASTROPHIC effect on those who are mentally ill.

[grahameb]

Caroline/Martin. I think p.172 revealed much more to me this time round than when I first read it!! I found myself amazed by the amount of "stuff" Colin was told by others. We have the Pargeters telling him that having ascertained that beautiful family jewellery, presumably of some value was going through the cremator, Jeremy "laughed and rubbed his hands with glee"!!!! (THIS from  the guy who was grabbing everything possible to SELL) I'm tempted to say it was Dickensian but I'm more inclined to think it has a Boutflour/Eaton ring to it...................as does the suggestion of transvestitism. Also of interest is Colin's concern that Jeremy had made some "Faustian pact" with his dark side. Such hypocrisy from someone who, along with Sheila, clearly dabbled in the arcane arts via the tarots. I don't imagine Jeremy knew MANY who did.

I was interested/AMUSED that Pam refused to let Colin see Granny Speakman, supposedly because he may remind her of the past. Equally as likely, I imagine, that Granny, a hell fires and brimstone Christian, whose God smote all and sundry, saw Colin as something conjured up by the Devil , who was responsible for her granddaughters further fall from grace and possibly the cause of her strange behaviour.

It is also worth noting that ANY foray into the dark arts can have the most CATASTROPHIC effect on those who are mentally ill.

April I am in no doubt that in his weakened state of bereavement Colin was "worked on" by certain relatives to the detrement of Jeremy. This certainly has a relative ring to it.

[lookout]

 Can I now upset the applecart by saying that I didn't like Colin. He was more than pleased/satisfied to go along with what others were saying,by not questioning any motives that there might be.
I'm put off straightaway by the fact that such gobble-de-gook as mediums/clairvoyancy/tarot,ouija and all that crap,is taken seriously,and as gospel.
Only the weak minded and mostly vulnerable fall for this nonsense when at their lowest ebb thinking that some sort of a miracle will show itself. Witchery and witch-hunting in progress.

The very fact that Colin,,at the funeral,was " looking for reactions from Jeremy " and even said that Jeremy was mimicking his way of mourning ? FGS,,what sort of a person says things like that ? Not a friend that's for sure. What a hateful way to act,,as well as childish too.The type of act where a child will look at another and slyly count their sweets to make sure they haven't got more than them.Yuk !

To my mind,,Colin himself was immature,,a fine one to talk about others,,but typical of those who don't/won't look at their own shortcomings.He must have really thought he was perfect !

Anything written by him ( feel sorry for ME ) reflects the sort of guilt he'd felt,,and people are taken in by it---------------------not me,,I'm sorry. I'd have seen right through him and his damaging ways to Sheila,with the occult. That's the way I viewed him anyway,,and I'm a good judge of character most of the time.

[maggie]

Point taken, Caroline. But I thought that the passage in question was worth quoting for it’s own sake, because it gives a real insight into how Jeremy became a demonized defendant, something which also happened to Sion Jenkins and to Amanda Knox. Knox was described by one italian lawyer as a "she-devil".

Sadly, many people, possibly a majority, are too easily fooled by that kind of crap.

Hi Martin I agree that Colin  often appeared to be a little off the wall. I believe he wrote in his book that a robin showed him which window Jeremy entered and left WHF that night. This evidence appears rather fanciful and we have to remember that Colin's judgement of Jeremy may not have been too reliable due to his understandable extreme grieif. Imo

[Jane]

I think it's illuminating that the same words that I read in the 1990's can have such a very different meaning in 2014.