The Noble Cause Framing Theory

[Martin]

I  don't post on them and perhaps you have spent too long on them because at the moment the only person doing any harassing here is YOU!! This is a prime example of propaganda. Try to make the target sound stupid while passing yourself off as an expert. Talk about pots and kettles!!

You are using that as an excuse to avoid responding to points! All I am getting from you is cheap abuse!

It’s the position you represent I am criticising. Mat seemed to think I was harrassing you, as well. From my point of view, I have an important point to make.

[Martin]

Caroline's doubts carry more weight than the whole of the red forum.

(Improved version)

Well, maybe, that's an exaggeration! But like Bob Woffinden, she is in a position of some influence. She is an administrator on a forum set up by Mike Tesko to raise awareness of Jeremy’s plight as a wrongly convicted man.

Notice how the guilters are delighted that Caroline is now, in effect, helping them. She has even got Mat coming along to give her his gentlemanly support.

You can’t leave those considerations out of it. Talk about  “opinions” is naïve. Pro guilt people tend to work as a group. Some of them don’t bother with doubts and opinions.

Her new stance is in effect a notable propaganda coup for the Ian Stephens and John Lamberton group who run both the red forum and the guilty page and for others with similar objectives. And that’s regardless of whether or not she sees it like that herself.

I think she knows what she is doing.

[No-Bits]

Well if this is the level .............

[susan]

Morning lookout

correct me if I am wrong but the tests carried out on the pigskin were done with a heated barrel of the gun last year. I think to cause discolouration the metal would have to be heated to a tremendous heat but temperatures of this degree would not be needed to cause burn marks on the skin. I remember ngb explaining all this but alas! I have forgotten half of it

[Jane]

Well if this is the level .............

Calm down, dear

[lookout]

Morning lookout

correct me if I am wrong but the tests carried out on the pigskin were done with a heated barrel of the gun last year. I think to cause discolouration the metal would have to be heated to a tremendous heat but temperatures of this degree would not be needed to cause burn marks on the skin. I remember ngb explaining all this but alas! I have forgotten half of it

Morning Susan,,yes you are right.The pigskin experiment. Just as if Jeremy would go to the trouble of heating up the barrel of a gun  Or anyone who was wanting ,sorry for this,,a quick no nonsense execution.

[maggie]

Morning lookout

correct me if I am wrong but the tests carried out on the pigskin were done with a heated barrel of the gun last year. I think to cause discolouration the metal would have to be heated to a tremendous heat but temperatures of this degree would not be needed to cause burn marks on the skin. I remember ngb explaining all this but alas! I have forgotten half of it

Morning Susie yes think discolouration on metal from extreme heat is called bluing.

[susan]

Morning Maggie my dear  think bluing is a process applied to metal prior to its use to stop it from rusting maybe the bluing stops discolouration I am not sure we discussed this in full earlier with ngb but forgot most of it no doubt some guy on the forum will correct me or thee

[susan]

Hi lookout

the burn marks inflicted on Ralph Bambers back on the night of the murders concerns me the most and this is one of the main reasons I cannot put Jeremy Bamber at the scene unless he is a raving psychopath and after all the tests he has had says he is not.  Incidently have we ever seen the results of these tests.

[lookout]

 I'm wracking my brain here,,because I was thinking about that number 3 last night,,with seeing it in Alias's post,,and something suddenly came into my mind ( which I should have immediately written down ) and I'm blowed what it was that I thought the significance was,,but it was worth a thought.

I'm due to have my yearly test for dementia  -oh dear.  It's not so much that I forget,,it's other things in my mind that take over. That's my excuse anyway !

[lookout]

Hi lookout

the burn marks inflicted on Ralph Bambers back on the night of the murders concerns me the most and this is one of the main reasons I cannot put Jeremy Bamber at the scene unless he is a raving psychopath and after all the tests he has had says he is not.  Incidently have we ever seen the results of these tests.

As I'd said,Susan,,if 27 psychiatrists prove to be wrong in their diagnosis of non-psychopathy,,then I'll be sitting exams for a professorship.

[susan]

lookout I have always thought the 3 was very significant, 3 burns the number 3 was written on the note 5 times and I would think In the name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost maybe relating to the 3.  The number 3 was very important to ever inflicted the burns.

[lookout]

P.S.I feel like the nutty professor at times.

[susan]

lookout because I value your friendship I will refrain from making a comment on that statement but you could be right

[Caroline]

You are using that as an excuse to avoid responding to points! All I am getting from you is cheap abuse!

It’s the position you represent I am criticising. Mat seemed to think I was harrassing you, as well. From my point of view, I have an important point to make.

I can charge you if you like? 

You are harassing me AND unlike YOU!! I have answered ALL of the questions asked of me more than once!! I asked Bambergate to provide proof and nothing was forthcoming cept some quip about kidney's but the very fact that he was able to sit typing said quip is PROOF that he has kidney's or he'd be brown bread. Now, some proof that Jeremy was framed with the full knowledge that Sheila was guilty would be nice - just a smidgen even?

I wonder how many others think that Jeremy was framed in this manner?

The point is what? Why can't your points be about adding some meat to the claims you make re the case?