The Noble Cause Framing Theory

[lookout]

The phone being shoved underneath the magazines ?

[Jane]

Could the dog barking in the coal shed have been heard by the phone operator listening in on the kitchen phone which was off the hook?  Just wondering???

Georgian houses have mega thick walls and it would also depend on how far away was the coal shed from the house.

[grahameb]

Grahame, I'm going to suggest that the "hostility" may be more in your mind than Caroline's, who, because she's looking at this from a different angle, is seeing a another picture and instead of simply concurring, maybe she's challenging her own, previously held beliefs, rather than someone else's.

In Caroline's defence, since she has voiced doubts, I have detected an element of "I know something you don't know" in some posts which I find EXTREMELY irritating and a little childish. WHY NOW??? If this knowledge has been available all along, why wait until NOW to introduce it. Thank God Jeremy isn't relying on us to bring about his release. Grahame, you don't need me to remind you of what happened when the stupid guy built his house on sand. I HATE the thought that my own beliefs may have been built on something LESS than all available knowledge, because if it has, there's every likelihood I've got it wrong.

You may indeed suggest it.

[Jan]

Georgian houses have mega thick walls and it would also depend on how far away was the coal shed from the house.

All the more reason why a sound moderator was not needed

[Alias]

All the more reason why a sound moderator was not needed

[Jane]

It could well have been that one,Maggie,,but it's the rustling bit that I'm trying to fathom out,that the operator heard. What would rustle ?

On occasions during a call, I'm become aware of, what I can only describe as something being deep fried although the person to whom I'm speaking can't hear it. Could this translate as "a rustling sound"?

[Jane]

All the more reason why a sound moderator was not needed

Well earned point, there, Jansus :D :D :D :D

[No-Bits]

Georgian houses have mega thick walls and it would also depend on how far away was the coal shed from the house.

.......... and single glazing. The coal shed door is approx. 3m to the left of the door that the police used to enter.

I suspect the rustling is either embellishment, or the noise of the police entering.

[No-Bits]

.......... and single glazing. The coal shed door is approx. 3m to the left of the door that the police used to enter.

I suspect the rustling is either embellishment, or the noise of the police entering.

Maybe more like 5m,  there is a photo in the archives.




Blue door to the left is the coal shed.

[Jane]

.......... and single glazing. The coal shed door is approx. 3m to the left of the door that the police used to enter.

I suspect the rustling is either embellishment, or the noise of the police entering.

Either being entirely possible.

[Jane]

Maybe more like 5m,  there is a photo in the archives.




Blue door to the left is the coal shed.

Thanks for the clarification. I can't tell a metre from a foot

[No-Bits]

Taken from the 2002 appeal:

At 3.35 a.m., Mr Bonnet arranged for a police car to go to White House Farm. A check made by a British Telecom operator of the telephone line to the farm was made at 4.30 a.m. The receiver was off the hook and all the operator could hear was the sound of a dog barking.

[Alias]

Someone must have made a call from the farm that dreadful night. You don´t have an open line just by taking the reciver off the hook, do you? I am asking, I don´t know??

[No-Bits]

This is taken from the official site:
http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/nevill-s-call-to-police

Later on, the police asked an operator to check the line at White House Farm, and the operator confirmed that at that stage, the handset was off its cradle, a rustling noise was audible, and a dog could be heard barking[21].

The citation for [21] reads as follows:

Noted on what is referred to as Malcolm Bonnet’s Log, also referred to as the ‘Radio Log, or the Essex Police Communications log’, 7 August 1985.

The logs can be viewed in this thread: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,732.0.html
Unless my eyesight is failing me, the citation does not match the logs.


On a separate issue to April, the logs do mention TWO dogs going berserk, although neither are singled out to be the owner of the barks heard over the open phone line.

[susan]

Alias don't know too much about phones but think you could be right.