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Offline Bambergate

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #195 on: April 29, 2014, 06:14:PM »
Hi Caroline
As some of you know I have been contacting people who were inside the farmhouse as events unfolded.
If you want to know what happen just ask ,Jeremy is Innocent I assure you.
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I am not into debating what happened in for obvious reasons.

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #196 on: April 29, 2014, 06:21:PM »
Why was it cleverer than lying? He could have said one of many things that you could not prove or question ( especially as the wallet seemed to have disappeared)  and then you would not have been questioning it ? So why is it clever?

I always wonder why JB is so clever - but then credited with making so many basic mistakes.
Yes I must agree with you on that one. If the police were deceived he is counted very clever. If he supposedly made a mistake he counted not that bright.

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #197 on: April 29, 2014, 06:26:PM »
Why was it cleverer than lying? He could have said one of many things that you could not prove or question ( especially as the wallet seemed to have disappeared)  and then you would not have been questioning it ? So why is it clever?

I always wonder why JB is so clever - but then credited with making so many basic mistakes.

I have explained this a million times - it was clever A. because he answered the question without actually answering!! If I had later discovered his answer was wrong, he could have simply said "Well, I couldn't exactly remember the question" and B. because having already answered, he made it difficult for me to ask it again - by saying 'I already told you'. He could have said many things but he chose not to answer, he chose to dodge the question. That's why it's clever.

I haven't accused Jeremy of making 'many' mistakes.
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Offline Jan

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #198 on: April 29, 2014, 07:15:PM »
I have explained this a million times - it was clever A. because he answered the question without actually answering!! If I had later discovered his answer was wrong, he could have simply said "Well, I couldn't exactly remember the question" and B. because having already answered, he made it difficult for me to ask it again - by saying 'I already told you'. He could have said many things but he chose not to answer, he chose to dodge the question. That's why it's clever.

I haven't accused Jeremy of making 'many' mistakes.

You don't have to keep answering in explanation marks - I am not having a go - just asking a question.

You said he originally said that he had not answered  that question about the wallet or he could not remember  or denied even saying it - and after all the only indication we have is in the  original statement from AE .Then he recounted the actual event - without saying what was in the wallet ( if I have understood you correctly)

I am sure after all this time and all the reading he has done certain things must have become blurred in his mind - however what I was saying was if he had been clever he could have said - " I saw the wallet when NB paid people on the farm - or  I did not know the actual amount I was just guessing as that is what my father was like? Etc etc - would you have queried his answer then ? probably not


I just thought that would have been cleverer than denying and then avoiding. Just my opinion that's all.

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #199 on: April 29, 2014, 07:18:PM »
You don't have to keep answering in explanation marks - I am not having a go - just asking a question.

You said he originally said that he had not answered  that question about the wallet or he could not remember  or denied even saying it - and after all the only indication we have is in the  original statement from AE .Then he recounted the actual event - without saying what was in the wallet ( if I have understood you correctly)

I am sure after all this time and all the reading he has done certain things must have become blurred in his mind - however what I was saying was if he had been clever he could have said - " I saw the wallet when NB paid people on the farm - or  I did not know the actual amount I was just guessing as that is what my father was like? Etc etc - would you have queried his answer then ? probably not


I just thought that would have been cleverer than denying and then avoiding. Just my opinion that's all.

This is how I view it too - have had the same discussion with Caroline, perhaps she is getting tired of it!

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #200 on: April 29, 2014, 07:26:PM »
We are not as bad as a certain other person though ::) And I was not doing it deliberately - I just don't understand ( even after several explanations )  :)
So Caroline and I will agree to differ on this one.

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #201 on: April 29, 2014, 07:28:PM »
Hi Caroline
As some of you know I have been contacting people who were inside the farmhouse as events unfolded.
If you want to know what happen just ask ,Jeremy is Innocent I assure you.
Regards
I am not into debating what happened in for obvious reasons.

How cruel :)

I am sure as Campion used to say (RIP) the truth will come out in the end ( hopefully soon)

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #202 on: April 29, 2014, 07:31:PM »
Hello jansus I think Caroline may have a gut feeling about how Jeremy responded to her and we cannot get the feeling she did as he could have made up all kind of different stories had he wanted but quite often a third party cannot feel how he evaded the question or whatever he did I am confused now. :'(

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #203 on: April 29, 2014, 07:32:PM »
Hi Caroline
As some of you know I have been contacting people who were inside the farmhouse as events unfolded.
If you want to know what happen just ask ,Jeremy is Innocent I assure you.
Regards
I am not into debating what happened in for obvious reasons.

You've stated recently that you're 100% certain. You've also implied that former officers who were at the scene early doors have confirmed SC was alive and the raid did experience complications, as would seem to fit with logs / later time of death for SC / lack of rigor mortis / training exercise.  This is how I read / take your posts.


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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #204 on: April 29, 2014, 07:34:PM »
You've stated recently that you're 100% certain. You've also implied that former officers who were at the scene early doors have confirmed SC was alive and the raid did experience complications, as would seem to fit with logs / later time of death for SC / lack of rigor mortis / training exercise.  This is how I read / take your posts.
Yes  that is what I am saying

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #205 on: April 29, 2014, 07:36:PM »
Hi Bambergate,

Consider this as me asking.

Cheers,

Caroline.
Its a big case Caroline what bit do you want more detail on?

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #206 on: April 29, 2014, 07:36:PM »
 It doesn't surprise me.

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #207 on: April 29, 2014, 07:37:PM »
Roch  that is what has always worried me the lack of rigor mortis Sheila must have died much later than the rest of the family and she had eaten later than them.

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #208 on: April 29, 2014, 07:40:PM »
Roch  that is what has always worried me the lack of rigor mortis Sheila must have died much later than the rest of the family and she had eaten later than them.
Correct the 1st report by PV did give a time of death and guess what Shelia died when JB was in the police car
Anyone surprised? I hope not
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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #209 on: April 29, 2014, 07:50:PM »
Correct the 1st report by PV did give a time of death and guess what Shelia died when JB was in the police car
Anyone surprised? I hope not

Not surprised- just more hopeful now because that would be proof of innocence and not just MOJ.