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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #180 on: April 29, 2014, 11:33:AM »
Careful April. You're messing with a superior being there. Who's about to answer you in ways you couldn't possibly hope to understand.... :P




Vic, thank-you for the warning. It's sweet of you to care :-* :-* :-*

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #181 on: April 29, 2014, 11:39:AM »
Oh shut up Martin - seriously you are talking complete and utter bollocks. I'm not even going to bother dissecting the absolute pap you have just spouted. I have repeated and repeated that i have DOUBTS and your continued rubbish analysis of my reasoning is simply laughable and pathetic. I have already  said why I have doubts and believe me (which you won't but who cares!!), if you knew anything about me, you would KNOW I have absolutely no sympathy for any police force and find it abhorrent that they would use their position to frame anyone - guilty or innocent!! Debate the case and quit trying to psychoanalyse me - you really are rubbish at it and I'm sure it's very boring for everyone else - why should you or anyone else give a toss what I think?

Seriously, you use propaganda tactics more than anyone here and you ARE coming over as rather odd!!


Well done Caroline. You've said it succinctly enough for ANYONE to understand. Let's hope Martin did.

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #182 on: April 29, 2014, 11:43:AM »

WHAT psychological prowess would you be referring to, Caroline? :D

I was being sarcastic April and I just like the word  ;D ;D
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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #183 on: April 29, 2014, 11:50:AM »
I was being sarcastic April and I just like the word  ;D ;D




Caroline, I would NEVER have guessed ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #184 on: April 29, 2014, 11:53:AM »
It wasn't just the meetings with Z, Martin. There was more to it than that, but that's old news!
People do re evaluate the case and take another look with fresh eyes, things become apparent then.

Heaven forbid that people question things!! We're supposed t sit here agreeing with each other or you become ripe for a stoning!! Martin is just a tad (and then some) paranoid!! I honestly can't believe that he would go to these lengths simply because I expressed doubt - it's a 'debating' forum Martin, not a religion and I doubt very much that I have the power to influence anyone's opinion unless they already had doubts of their own.
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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #185 on: April 29, 2014, 11:54:AM »



Caroline, I would NEVER have guessed ;D ;D ;D

Well, I was going for subtlety  ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #186 on: April 29, 2014, 12:00:PM »
Well, I was going for subtlety  ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D



VERY refaned it was too, if I may say so ;D ;D

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« Reply #187 on: April 29, 2014, 12:03:PM »


VERY refaned it was too, if I may say so ;D ;D

Aye!! That's me like!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #188 on: April 29, 2014, 12:20:PM »
I can't believe you would spend so long trying to discredit her postings rather than debating the case itself. You seem to have a real problem accepting that there would appear to be a very good chance that Bamber lied to Caroline and you simply are uncomfortable with that. It doesn't sit well with YOUR propaganda.

She did not say he lied - he avoided the question - that is not quite the same thing.

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #189 on: April 29, 2014, 12:32:PM »
She did not say he lied - he avoided the question - that is not quite the same thing.



Possibly an important distinction, Jansus.

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #190 on: April 29, 2014, 12:34:PM »


Possibly an important distinction, Jansus.

It was far cleverer than lying!!
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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #191 on: April 29, 2014, 12:47:PM »
It was far cleverer than lying!!




Yeh! There was an element of that subtlety you achieved earlier, Caroline.

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #192 on: April 29, 2014, 01:41:PM »
Am I missing something here, but why has it suddenly become a crime to point out doubts of Bamber's innocence? Caroline is not the first 'supporter' to be left wondering if they're backing the right horse and Bamber has been exposed before, in his letters, to be sometimes less than truthful.
Or has Caroline, in some eyes, committed the ultimate sin of changing her mind? Even worse, she's having doubts in a very intelligent, understandable and coherent way......
Caroline. You should take the rude, condescending insults as a back handed compliment.

Thanks Vic but I just find it odd.
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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #193 on: April 29, 2014, 02:03:PM »
 I have to agree with Roch's post here,,a clever way of putting it.

 The obvious thing for Jeremy to have done,,was to literally pick holes in the incompetency of EP,but---------that would never work on the grounds that they WERE doing their job,,but not up to the standards in which was expected of them. So in effect,,police inefficiency isn't grounds for appeal,or anything to be used in a bid for freedom.
We know what they did wasn't particularly worthy of them being on such a big case,,as a lack of foresight into knowing what could be going on inside the farmhouse where they'd already learned of ammunition galore,,,shouldn't have left them free to ponder for the length of time WASTED outside the farmhouse.

However,,as Roch said,,the TFG have remained very much in the background of all this,,,seeing EP taking the wrap for mistakes made.

My only hope now is that there's sufficient evidence/grounds from the medical " experts " ( I could do better myself ) with their full knowledge of Sheilas' illness,,which will prove once and for all that Jeremy wasn't just blaming his sisters' illness, as well as EP,,in which to" worm his way out ",,as nobody on this earth will ever listen to excuses,no matter who they are,,,and this is what it has seemed like to the pro-guilters over the years.  As even at one time,,the " excuses " were in my thoughts too,,until I realised that Jeremy wasn't that stupid to make things up.
I have every confidence in the man.

The medical notes would have been with EP,,as hospitals destroy them after a certain length of time,,and those with mental illnesses are kept a bit longer,,but not this long.
If it came out as a positive result that indeed Sheila was involved,,,it would also have a bearing on the financial side of things too,,as monies aren't usually shared out that hastily when it comes to suicide.
I know it comes under a different law than the norm,,that one has to wait a few years-----------oh dear.
Whether it'll apply after so long,,I don't know,,but a lot will now depend on whether it was suicide,,and obviously can be proven as such.
I'm going to have to look it up,,but I know,,unless the law has changed,,,that you had to wait 7 years for an estate to be wound down after a suicide of a previous beneficiary.( for obvious reasons )

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #194 on: April 29, 2014, 05:02:PM »
It was far cleverer than lying!!

Why was it cleverer than lying? He could have said one of many things that you could not prove or question ( especially as the wallet seemed to have disappeared)  and then you would not have been questioning it ? So why is it clever?

I always wonder why JB is so clever - but then credited with making so many basic mistakes.