The Noble Cause Framing Theory

[susan]

Maggie lookout is on great form tonight

[lookout]

 If I'd shot someone,,then made up some cock and bull story,,,arrived with the police at the scene and suddenly realised that the person I'd shot wasn't dead,,,I'd have collapsed in a heap.
Jeremy had either nerves of steel,,,or he simply didn't do it. Nobody could endure the suspense of seeing a figure at the window,,sending for the firearms team,,,then extra reinforcements,,,,without it affecting you in some way if you were guilty. A complete nervous wreck springs to mind,,,but he wasn't,,,and not a scrap of psychopathy in sight.

[Alias]

If I'd shot someone,,then made up some cock and bull story,,,arrived with the police at the scene and suddenly realised that the person I'd shot wasn't dead,,,I'd have collapsed in a heap.
Jeremy had either nerves of steel,,,or he simply didn't do it. Nobody could endure the suspense of seeing a figure at the window,,sending for the firearms team,,,then extra reinforcements,,,,without it affecting you in some way if you were guilty. A complete nervous wreck springs to mind,,,but he wasn't,,,and not a scrap of psychopathy in sight.

To be fair, he did vomit and cry.

[lookout]

Well he did finish her off lookout with the second shot,whereupon Sheila slumped down,Jeremy pulling her legs to check on death,thereby rucking up the nightie. As it happens Jeremy did attempt to delay entry by all means possible.

Steve,,,I think Jeremy would have realised that two shots wouldn't have amounted to suicide.

[lookout]

To be fair, he did vomit and cry.

Normal reflex action when told bad news,Alias. An immediate response. I think the whisky made him sick too.

[lookout]

 It's not surprising they could all see in the dark. It was the glow from S.Jones's nose,,as he was the whisky drinker.

[Jane]

We know what state Sheila is in a few hours before just by chance due to Pamela's telephone call. Yes this is all conjecture,but I don't see any problem with angles of bullets,at least not enough to prevent death from occurring simulating suicide.

Steve, the problem I have is that with the length of the barrel, any shots fired from above her would have followed a downward trajectory. He would have needed to stand as far away as her feet AND be certain  that she didn't move her head in order to ensure the bullet went upwards.

[lookout]

 And it was a contact shot.

[maggie]

If I'd shot someone,,then made up some cock and bull story,,,arrived with the police at the scene and suddenly realised that the person I'd shot wasn't dead,,,I'd have collapsed in a heap.
Jeremy had either nerves of steel,,,or he simply didn't do it. Nobody could endure the suspense of seeing a figure at the window,,sending for the firearms team,,,then extra reinforcements,,,,without it affecting you in some way if you were guilty. A complete nervous wreck springs to mind,,,but he wasn't,,,and not a scrap of psychopathy in sight.

That is what I find so hard to understand |Lookout  Have always believed Jeremy would have to be a psychopath to carry out these murders and we haven't the slightest hint that he is.  In fact quite the opposite is true, all  the evidence points to him  being extremely normal with no sign of personality disorders or psychopathy. Surely someone like Suzette Ford would have known if Jeremy had sown signs of this as well as Julie Mugford but for all her accusations we never heard a word about him being jealous, over controlling or violent with her.  There was the odd squabble but nothing strange about that. imo

[Steve_uk]

Steve, the problem I have is that with the length of the barrel, any shots fired from above her would have followed a downward trajectory. He would have needed to stand as far away as her feet AND be certain  that she didn't move her head in order to ensure the bullet went upwards.

Well maybe Mike can elucidate again,but it's my case that he did cock it up the first time. As for carpet fibres or other forensic evidence the White House was his second home so this is not like the Simon Hall affair.

[Steve_uk]

That is what I find so hard to understand |Lookout  Have always believed Jeremy would have to be a psychopath to carry out these murders and we haven't the slightest hint that he is.  In fact quite the opposite is true, all  the evidence points to him  being extremely normal with no sign of personality disorders or psychopathy. Surely someone like Suzette Ford would have known if Jeremy had sown signs of this as well as Julie Mugford but for all her accusations we never heard a word about him being jealous, over controlling or violent with her.  There was the odd squabble but nothing strange about that. imo

What was Jeremy's relationship with women? Like many young men of his ilk he had to adapt to the needs of the modern woman in a way his natural father never had to. He would shy away from Sheila when she began what we might call politely her theology discussions,otherwise women it seemed fitted in with Jeremy's wishes. The one exception was June for a huge period of his life who held de facto control,but lost it along with Jeremy's respect after returning from hospital the second time. Is this why Jeremy allegedly claimed to "f*cking hate my parents" because they stood in the way of the lifestyle he wanted?

[maggie]

What was Jeremy's relationship with women? Like many young men of his ilk he had to adapt to the needs of the modern woman in a way his natural father never had to. He would shy away from Sheila when she began what we might call politely her theology discussions,otherwise women it seemed fitted in with Jeremy's wishes. The one exception was June for a huge period of his life who held de facto control,but lost it along with Jeremy's respect after returning from hospital the second time. Is this why Jeremy allegedly claimed to "f*cking hate my parents" because they stood in the way of the lifestyle he wanted?

Hi Steve, it is good to see you back but with respect, that post is not one of your best efforts
How do you KNOW any of this?  I am pretty sure you do not.  There is absolutely no reported information which would lead anyone to believe Jeremy was a psychopath or suffered with Personality disorders.  All psychopaths are narcissistic although not all narcissists are psychopaths.  You cannot hide narcissism as it is just your personality, the way you operate although psychopaths can and do try to hide their true selves but Jeremy must be a super man to never let his guard down and show his true self. imo 

[lookout]

 No sign of fear nor facial contortion at having been shot by another person ?
 More like peace,relief and tranquillity without further suffering. Sheila hadn't died defending herself.

[Alias]

No sign of fear nor facial contortion at having been shot by another person ?
 More like peace,relief and tranquillity without further suffering. Sheila hadn't died defending herself.

No tears.

[lookout]

No tears.

That's right,Alias.