Did Jeremy Make a Freudian Slip?

[lookout]

That's what he got by being too trusting !

[Jan]

looking at the bigger picture what might or might not have happened to the contents of a wallet ranks pretty low when compared to five deaths.
sometimes you can lose sight of the key events and allow personalaties to colour facts. Jeremy was then an arrogant yuppie a drug grower a drug dealer a thief. did he murder in cold blood?
I dont think so. would I have wanted him as a friend? I dont think so? does he deserve a new trial? I think he does. do we all deserve to see that the true facts are exposed? guilt or innocent YES!

wilf

good point - and from my experience even the nicest families end up falling out after arguments about who gets what when people die.

[Caroline]

SO Madam Prosecutor, in your opinion, if Ann took the wallet WITH money and gave it to RWB, where did the money end up?

New wallpaper for the bathroom? Who knows .....

[Jane]

good point - and from my experience even the nicest families end up falling out after arguments about who gets what when people die.

Indeed so. I'm VERY reliably informed that there probably isn't a wealthy family in the Country which hasn't, at some point, been fractured by greed when the head of the family dies. It often takes years before it resolves itself, sometimes, by leaving what family is left, in penury. Sometimes the feud becomes generational and never heals.

[Jane]

New wallpaper for the bathroom? Who knows .....

Now there's a novel idea. Classy? Nah

[lookout]

You're telling me,Jansus. Even though there was a will in this case,,because of the circumstances,it was treated as someone dying intestate,,and that's when the trouble starts,,particularly as things are drawn up according to the laws of intestacy. I've been there and it ain't nice,,as you see a part of the family,,who by the way had no time for the deceased,,getting the lions share.

[Caroline]

I wasn´t suggesting he would take the wallet - just some of the cash. We know he had that in him from the caravan park burglary.
And if, as you say, he knew (or thought) he would get the money anyway, why snoop around the farm unnecessarily looking into Nevill´s wallet? - Or do you think he was looking for something else and possibly took that out of the wallet?

It doesn´t make a 100% sense to me.

I am awfully curious about your correspondence regarding this (only this!), I mean your question and his answers word for word, because it is not quite clear to me how he dodged the question. Also strange that he would do that in the first place - you were not on the phone with him, he had time to make something up.

No, I know you didn't suggest him taking the wallet - Lookout mentioned it and I was answering as many points as I could think of but just happened to reply to your post.

I will have to dig out the letter(s) and will type what was actually said. I know that the question I asked was 'How did you know how much money was in your fathers wallet?' and he didn't reply. This of course could have been for a number of reasons so I sent a message using the email service and he did reply to that. He said that he knew I had asked a question but couldn't remember what it was but thought that the answer was 'no or I didn't' and that's as much as he said. However, a few months later he wrote about how AE had pissed him off when he found out that she had taken the wallet and he mentioned searching for it on his return to WHF. This was the last time I heard from him

To me, it was as if he didn't want to answer and he made the excuse that he forgot the question - he remembered the answer (which is odd) but forgot the question?

[grahameb]

No, I know you didn't suggest him taking the wallet - Lookout mentioned it and I was answering as many points as I could think of but just happened to reply to your post.

I will have to dig out the letter(s) and will type what was actually said. I know that the question I asked was 'How did you know how much money was in your fathers wallet?' and he didn't reply. This of course could have been for a number of reasons so I sent a message using the email service and he did reply to that. He said that he knew I had asked a question but couldn't remember what it was but thought that the answer was 'no or I didn't' and that's as much as he said. However, a few months later he wrote about how AE had pissed him off when he found out that she had taken the wallet and he mentioned searching for it on his return to WHF. This was the last time I heard from him

To me, it was as if he didn't want to answer and he made the excuse that he forgot the question - he remembered the answer (which is odd) but forgot the question?

Caroline I wonder if you are making this matter out to be more important than it really is?

[Alias]

No, I know you didn't suggest him taking the wallet - Lookout mentioned it and I was answering as many points as I could think of but just happened to reply to your post.

I will have to dig out the letter(s) and will type what was actually said. I know that the question I asked was 'How did you know how much money was in your fathers wallet?' and he didn't reply. This of course could have been for a number of reasons so I sent a message using the email service and he did reply to that. He said that he knew I had asked a question but couldn't remember what it was but thought that the answer was 'no or I didn't' and that's as much as he said. However, a few months later he wrote about how AE had pissed him off when he found out that she had taken the wallet and he mentioned searching for it on his return to WHF. This was the last time I heard from him

To me, it was as if he didn't want to answer and he made the excuse that he forgot the question - he remembered the answer (which is odd) but forgot the question?

OK, thanks for explaining - this is enough for me, I understand now, you don´t have to dig up the letters. It is very odd that he remembered the answer to a question he didn´t remember. It seems incoherent. Does he seem rational and coherent otherwise?
I am quite confused by this. Could it have been at a particularly stressful time for him, so much so that he had trouble concentrating properly?
I have no idea how he is doing healthwise, mental and physical. It must all have taken its toll. As I said, he had time to make up an answer, but chose not to. He could have said that he made the last withdrawal for his father - for one. There could be so many reasons why he knew what was in the wallet.
Does he resent answering questions generally, is he sick and tired of it and simply thinks it was rude of you to ask (sorry, I am just trying to imagine his motivations).

[Caroline]

That's a bit harsh Martin. Personally I'm with Tyler on this and I came to similar conclusions as Tyler a while ago when Caroline shared her thoughts with me. Another problem I have with this being anything sinister is that it goes against the grain of much else that points towards a psychotic episode / a raid that experienced complications / what could be regarded as fabricated evidence / altered statements / corruptive practices among police officers / altered pathology report / financial motive among prosecution witnesses etc. All in all, I think it highly unlikely that police framed the right culprit. I don't think JB seems any more money orientated than his extended family, even if he has at some point checked the wallet. Discrepancies In answers needs to be considered but i will pm Caroline about this.   

Hi Roch,

I don't understand what you mean? I find it hard to believe that the police would 'knowingly' frame an innocent man as opposed to a man they believed were guilty but for who they didn't have much evidence for a prosecution. There were a lot of people involved in this case, I can't believe that not one would have come forward by now if they were partially responsible for the incarceration of an innocent man - the guilt would have been too heavy for me and I'd have blabbed long ago. I can see why they wouldn't come forward if they believed they had done the wrong thing for the right reason.

[Caroline]

OK, thanks for explaining - this is enough for me, I understand now, you don´t have to dig up the letters. It is very odd that he remembered the answer to a question he didn´t remember. It seems incoherent. Does he seem rational and coherent otherwise?
I am quite confused by this. Could it have been at a particularly stressful time for him, so much so that he had trouble concentrating properly?
I have no idea how he is doing healthwise, mental and physical. It must all have taken its toll. As I said, he had time to make up an answer, but chose not to. He could have said that he made the last withdrawal for his father - for one. There could be so many reasons why he knew what was in the wallet.
Does he resent answering questions generally, is he sick and tired of it and simply thinks it was rude of you to ask (sorry, I am just trying to imagine his motivations).

Hi Alias,

Not at all, he can write pages and pages when he's on a role - that's why I found it odd when he didn't answer properly and to my mind, he was brushing me off.

[Alias]

Caroline, if Jeremy had felt that you had taken him with his fingers in the cookie jar with your question, isn´t it unlikely that he would later write to you about the wallet? I think he would have left the subject alone for sure!
I think he didn´t take much notice of your question and just answered something in the email to be polite and because you insisted on some answer, but otherwise couldn´t be arsed?
Sorry if I sound rude - I just think it could have happened that way.

[Caroline]

Caroline, if Jeremy had felt that you had taken him with his fingers in the cookie jar with your question, isn´t it unlikely that he would later write to you about the wallet? I think he would have left the subject alone for sure!
I think he didn´t take much notice of your question and just answered something in the email to be polite and because you insisted on some answer, but otherwise couldn´t be arsed?
Sorry if I sound rude - I just think it could have happened that way.

It could have yes, but I don't think so. You don't sound rude. People don't have to agree with me but I have been asked why I have doubts and this is one of the reasons. It could well be nothing but the letter was odd - he could have just reread my letter and then answered. As for mentioning the wallet again, he probably just got carried away with his tirade over AE - but this was the last letter I received, perhaps he remembered later?

[Caroline]

Caroline I wonder if you are making this matter out to be more important than it really is?

Yes of course that's possible Grahame but it bugs me. I am sure there are aspects that bug most people. You must have asked yourself 'why would he do that?' - this is one of my 'why would he do that?' questions.

[Roch]

I know that the question I asked was 'How did you know how much money was in your fathers wallet?' and he didn't reply. This of course could have been for a number of reasons so I sent a message using the email service and he did reply to that. He said that he knew I had asked a question but couldn't remember what it was but thought that the answer was 'no or I didn't' and that's as much as he said. However, a few months later he wrote about how AE had pissed him off when he found out that she had taken the wallet and he mentioned searching for it on his return to WHF. This was the last time I heard from him

To me, it was as if he didn't want to answer and he made the excuse that he forgot the question - he remembered the answer (which is odd) but forgot the question?

Could be interpreted as he got side-tracked and the omission of an answer to that specific question was non-deliberate, hence him later recalling that he 'thought' the answer was 'no or I didn't'.  He recalled the answer but never penned it.  The fact he never penned the answer could be deliberate or simply a chance omission. 

What was the context surrounding his later communication about being pissed off re AE taking the wallet and having searched for it?  What I cant get my head round is why he would later mention the incident to you at all, considering you who had already alerted him to a chink in his armour which in turn led him to deliberately side-step the question?

When you say that was the last you heard from him, do you mean he stopped replying to communication  from you?