Did Jeremy Make a Freudian Slip?

[Jan]

I found this post from 2011

So to be clear does this mean that the  wallet was actually taken by Anne Eaton and she did not tell Jeremy or the police - I am a bit confused



Also in regards the 12th august we have this note from Ann Eaton...
this one in my view is almost certainly one of the fabricated ones made at a later date.
Of note is Nevill's wallet being emptied of cash and credit cards.
In response in both the COLP interview and her notes are the exact words...

Dad and I almost felt guilty.

obviously she went prepared for this at the colp to get it word for word....but how can one know how someone else feels....

almost felt guilty....really ....thats not possible....one does feel guilty or one does not....yet another sign of deception.

the story goes that Robert (dad) checked Nevill's wallet and trouser pockets...at the request of Basil Cock.
Problem is (apart from Robert not being there)...is such an act was carried out then no-one would have a problem explaining as such to JB where the money and credit cards were and why.....so no reason to keep quiet and no reason at all to feel guilty if that was the truth.
It seems that was not the truth at all...

In all this of course ...Robert is at whf on the morning of the 12 th of august and not as he claims at Maldon police station speaking to a police officer he could not name etc etc or meeting DS Stan Jones.

[Caroline]

You are playing the prosecutor in highlighting such a flimsy piece of evidence.  You are overplaying it, just as they do. My point is that your mode of discourse is that of advocacy.

I could have said a prosecutor’s technique, instead of a propaganda technique. Those kind of arguments are typical ways in which a skilful prosecutor will try to persuade the jury, when he realises his case is weak.

And here's me thinking I was just posting my opinion to spark debate - wye yeh bugga!!

[Jan]

So did Anne ever admit to the police that they had taken the wallet?

just wondering?

[Caroline]

I found this post from 2011

So to be clear does this mean that the  wallet was actually taken by Anne Eaton and she did not tell Jeremy or the police - I am a bit confused



Also in regards the 12th august we have this note from Ann Eaton...
this one in my view is almost certainly one of the fabricated ones made at a later date.
Of note is Nevill's wallet being emptied of cash and credit cards.
In response in both the COLP interview and her notes are the exact words...

Dad and I almost felt guilty.

obviously she went prepared for this at the colp to get it word for word....but how can one know how someone else feels....

almost felt guilty....really ....thats not possible....one does feel guilty or one does not....yet another sign of deception.

the story goes that Robert (dad) checked Nevill's wallet and trouser pockets...at the request of Basil Cock.
Problem is (apart from Robert not being there)...is such an act was carried out then no-one would have a problem explaining as such to JB where the money and credit cards were and why.....so no reason to keep quiet and no reason at all to feel guilty if that was the truth.
It seems that was not the truth at all...

In all this of course ...Robert is at whf on the morning of the 12 th of august and not as he claims at Maldon police station speaking to a police officer he could not name etc etc or meeting DS Stan Jones.

Yes, she took it and gave it to RWB

[Jane]

Yes, she took it and gave it to RWB

SO Madam Prosecutor, in your opinion, if Ann took the wallet WITH money and gave it to RWB, where did the money end up?

[Caroline]

With respect to Martin, your post is bullshit. Anyone that has followed this board for even a small ammount of time has known Caroline has beleived in Jeremy's innocence.

to say that she got close to Jeremy to find out information, and would be posting more things like this topic.. is laughable.

And that's coming from someone who hasn't always seen eye to eye with her.

Edit : But as I said on the red, now that Caroline has broken rank and is questioning things openly (how dare she!  ) She'll be lucky to last three months before she's a black sheep.

I just looked out of the window and there are no flying pigs and I think hell is still quite warm so I must just say - thanks for your supportive message!! Some people seem more concerned with being right than uncovering the truth. I would rather know what really happened as opposed to guessing the right answer!! Thanks again!!

[Alias]

As I said, if it was all above board and innocent, why dodge the question? He said he thought the answer was 'No or I didn't' - so he remembered the answer but not the question. He had the letter, he could have just gone and read it. Then a few months later while discussing something about AE he described to me the same scene mentioned in AE statement.

He didn't need to take the money then, he had no idea that AE or anyone else would take it but it was the FIRST thing he went looking for when he went back to WHF. He certainly wouldn't have taken the wallet with him - he wouldn't risk being found with it. Also, I'd have thought farm petty cash and wages money would be kept in the office, in the safe.

I'm not saying he's guilty or the fact that he lied about it makes him guilty BUT it's not something I can dismiss out of hand.

I wasn´t suggesting he would take the wallet - just some of the cash. We know he had that in him from the caravan park burglary.
And if, as you say, he knew (or thought) he would get the money anyway, why snoop around the farm unnecessarily looking into Nevill´s wallet? - Or do you think he was looking for something else and possibly took that out of the wallet?

It doesn´t make a 100% sense to me.

I am awfully curious about your correspondence regarding this (only this!), I mean your question and his answers word for word, because it is not quite clear to me how he dodged the question. Also strange that he would do that in the first place - you were not on the phone with him, he had time to make something up.

[Neil]

I wasn´t suggesting he would take the wallet - just some of the cash. We know he had that in him from the caravan park burglary.
And if, as you say, he knew (or thought) he would get the money anyway, why snoop around the farm unnecessarily looking into Nevill´s wallet? - Or do you think he was looking for something else and possibly took that out of the wallet?

It doesn´t make a 100% sense to me.

I am awfully curious about your correspondence regarding this (only this!), I mean your question and his answers word for word, because it is not quite clear to me how he dodged the question. Also strange that he would do that in the first place - you were not on the phone with him, he had time to make something up.

Perhaps he thought, that by leaving behind the large amount of money, suspicion would be deflected away from himself. 

[Alias]

Perhaps he thought, that by leaving behind the large amount of money, suspicion would be deflected away from himself.

It is possible, but perhaps a little far fetched?

[lookout]

Do " steal " what's yours anyway.

[Alias]

Do " steal " what's yours anyway.

It wasn´t all his. We cannot deny that this was a dishonest act it was a burglary, and sometimes it does make me wonder about him.
Lookout, I know you are one of Jeremy´s staunchest supporters, I guess I am not. 

[lookout]

The way I look at things like that is,,that if he didn't take it,,somebody else would have done.

He was more than willing to hand over the keys,,without question,to AE,,knowing that there could have been any amount of valuables inside that farmhouse. I wouldn't have done.

[guest154]

With all due respect Mat I have a lot of respect for Caroline and I know others do as well. It isn't the fact that people disagree with oneanother that some are disliked. It is the way they conduct themselves and the arrogant way in which they argue that turns others against them. Indeed I didn't like some pro Bambers as well as anti Bambers not because of their views. But because of the way they put those views over. I don't excuse myself from this kind of arguing either.
Also I admire Carolines position of doubting Jeremy's innocence because she has arrived at that position out of investigation of certain facts. But show me a guilter who has changed their stance out of pure reason and nothing else.
Most of the guilters that I have encountered have held their stance simply because they haven't bothered to reason things out. But rather hold their position out of pure hate for Jeremy. Several times I have put legitimate questions to some. Yet rather than study the things I have said in a reasonable way some have just done their best to counter my suggestions without taking the time to even wonder if what I said was reasonable.
But Caroline on the other hand has reached her decision from carefully questioning Bamber himself. How many guilters I wonder have even bothered to write to Jeremy? I trow not many?

I appreciate that, Grahame and I should have been more clear in my post. Wasn't fair of me to make it sounds as if the whole board would turn, as that isn't the case. A select few i do believe will though.

I just looked out of the window and there are no flying pigs and I think hell is still quite warm so I must just say - thanks for your supportive message!! Some people seem more concerned with being right than uncovering the truth. I would rather know what really happened as opposed to guessing the right answer!! Thanks again!!

 :D

[Jan]

The way I look at things like that is,,that if he didn't take it,,somebody else would have done.

He was more than willing to hand over the keys,,without question,to AE,,knowing that there could have been any amount of valuables inside that farmhouse. I wouldn't have done.

that's a good point actually . It did not seem that he would suspect the family of taking anything at that stage.  On the evening perhaps before he left perhaps he saw the wallet and just knew there was a lot of cash in it - and then of course if he was innocent and thought SC had done it you would wonder where it was ?

I think it is pretty bad that the family took it and then did not tell him - all seems a bit odd really. If it was me I would just say - just to let you know we have taken a few things for safe keeping that the police had left lying around  

[wilf]

looking at the bigger picture what might or might not have happened to the contents of a wallet ranks pretty low when compared to five deaths.
sometimes you can lose sight of the key events and allow personalaties to colour facts. Jeremy was then an arrogant yuppie a drug grower a drug dealer a thief. did he murder in cold blood?
I dont think so. would I have wanted him as a friend? I dont think so? does he deserve a new trial? I think he does. do we all deserve to see that the true facts are exposed? guilt or innocent YES!

wilf