DISTURBED MIND OF JULIE MUGFORD - suffering from a traumatic distress order...

[mike tesko]

Three significant events in Julie Mugfords life which occurred within a short period of time, dramatically changed the state of her mind, raising doubts as to whether she was mentally, physically and emotionally fit at the time she came forward to give information to the police, and also when sge testified during the trial?

The three significant traumatic occurrences were:-

[mike tesko]

(1) - Confirmation that three generations of Jeremy's family were all dead, except him...

(2) - the ordeal of going along to the mortuary to identify the bodies of the five victims..

(3) - rejection of her by Jeremy...

[grahameb]

(1) - Confirmation that three generations of Jeremy's family were all dead, except him...

(2) - the ordeal of going along to the morzuary to identify the bodies of the five victims..

(3) - rejection of her by Jeremy...

I've never ever thought of that Mike. It could explain a lot of things.

[mike tesko]

I've never ever thought of that Mike. It could explain a lot of things.

Hi Grahame,

Yes, it would...

I also found out when I was acting as Jeremy's McKensie man, that Julie suffered with a severe case of pre-menstual tension, and that she was under the doctor and receiving treatment in the form of medication for it. This also needs to be taken into account because there was a history of her behaving nastily and becoming violent toward Jeremy when she became afflicted with the condition. A typical example of this in action was the occasion when Julie smashed a mirror and tried to suffocate Jeremy with a pillow, vowing to kill him so that no-one else could have him...

[maggie]

I've never ever thought of that Mike. It could explain a lot of things.

I agree Mike/Grahame, she was very young and these were huge trauma's PTSD is a possibility for herself, for Jeremy and for the relatives.
Jeremy could still be suffering from it and the rest if never counselled.

[mike tesko]

I agree Mike/Grahame, she was very young and these were huge trauma's PTSD is a possibility for herself, for Jeremy and for the relatives.
Jeremy could still be suffering from it and the rest if never counselled.

Hi maggie,

Some females are affected differently at different stages of the menstraul cycle, and I find it odd that a month into what part of her cycle that Julie was in, that finding out that three generations of Jeremys family had all been killed, except Jeremy, and within days she was at the mortuary identifying all five victims, and that within four weeks Jeremy had rejected her, and she runs off with her mate to the police telling stories about Jeremy being involved in the killings - it was her way of trying to hurt Jeremy as she had done previously, she was trying to put him away so nobody else could have him, history repeating itself...

[lookout]

JM was certainly full of spite and bitterness,of that there was no doubt,,and I can imagine her feelings also,when Liz Rimmington told her that Jeremy had bedded her too. Your " best friend  !". That would have been the last straw fo JM, I would imagine. I know the romance was over,,but why would LM have told of her tryst ? Some friend !
Just about everyone had an axe to grind of one sort or another.

[maggie]

Hi maggie,
Some females are affected differently at different stages of the menstraul cycle, and I find it odd that a month into what part of her cycle that Julie was in, that finding out that three generations of Jeremys family had all been killed, except Jeremy, and within days she was at the mortuary identifying all five victims, and that within four weeks Jeremy had rejected her, and she runs off with her mate to the police telling stories about Jeremy being involved in the killings - it was her way of trying to hurt Jeremy as she had done previously, she was trying to put him away so nobody else could have him, history repeating itself...

She could have been in a very bad psychological state imo. She was very young and no doubt  vulnerable and open to suggestion by EP. They very possibly painted her into a corner. It's very true some of her behaviour ie. The £25,000 and photos but she may by then and even now believe Jeremy to be guilty not because he told her anything but because EP convinced her?

[mike tesko]

I would also like to clear up if I may, the claim that Julie went to the police on her own voluntarily - this is not true, she was pressurized to go along by her mate, who went with her and spoke to the police on Julie Mugfords behalf, because Julie became unco-operative at that stage. The truth of the matter was that her mate made the original statement to police recounting to police what she said Julie had told her, what Jeremy had told her.  This is why in some police record or other, there is expressed some concern as to why Julie Mugfords confession is written in the third person - it was Mugfords mate, who made the confession to police, not Julie herself...

[tyler]

In addition to this didn't Julie say that she had suffered abuse from her step-father? And then there was the alleged rape abroad. Neither for which she received any kind of professional help/counselling for I suspect?

[Jane]

In addition to this didn't Julie say that she had suffered abuse from her step-father? And then there was the alleged rape abroad. Neither for which she received any kind of professional help/counselling for I suspect?

Tyler, there may be a question mark hanging over those allegations. I know someone who knew the family well and when I put this possibility to her, she was appalled, although I realize that it doesn't mean it DIDN'T happen. However, had she been through life experiencing dysfunctional relationships, it would follow that she'd find others OR they'd find her.

[mike tesko]

In addition to this didn't Julie say that she had suffered abuse from her step-father? And then there was the alleged rape abroad. Neither for which she received any kind of professional help/counselling for I suspect?

Hi tyler,

Yes, the alleged rape of Mugford by a stranger was something else she tried to blame Jeremy for...

[tyler]

April,I too have often wondered if the allegations JM made were true. She comes across as an attention seeker/story teller,just like my own mother in fact! Obviously some kind of personality disorder? I have often wondered,is it due to some kind of insecurity? Do people like this tell lies to make themselves appear more interesting or to evoke sympathy perhaps? What kind of personality disorder does this fall under,do you know?

[lookout]

Jekyll and Hyde ?

[Jane]

April,I too have often wondered if the allegations JM made were true. She comes across as an attention seeker/story teller,just like my own mother in fact! Obviously some kind of personality disorder? I have often wondered,is it due to some kind of insecurity? Do people like this tell lies to make themselves appear more interesting or to evoke sympathy perhaps? What kind of personality disorder does this fall under,do you know?

Tyler, histrionic is the one which comes immediately to mind, but narcissistic could be in there too. There is certainly something about them needing to be the centre of attention so engineering circumstances which puts them there.