Jeremys second phone call to Julie:

[Adam]

Jeremy was very keen to phone Julie.

At 3.00am before Nevilles call.

Then at 5.40am. Nearly 2 hours before entry into WHF.

Why ? Perhaps he was dying to boast about something.

[maggie]

Jeremy was very keen to phone Julie.

At 3.00am before Nevilles call.

Then at 5.40am. Nearly 2 hours before entry into WHF.

Why ? Perhaps he was dying to boast about something.

You are either totally bereft of normal human understanding or taking the p***.  Even if you lean towards guilt but are willing to accept the possibility of innocence surely you can understand the probability that Jeremy was very close to Julie and it would be natural for him to consult her on most things. I  can understand why he rang her after Neville's phone call as he may have needed reassurance and again at 5.40am would imagine he felt very frightened and alone again needed the closest person to him. It's hardly rocket science Adam!!!!

[Adam]

Jeremy is in a no win situation.

Phoning Julie at 3.00am before Neville phoned & before phoning the police is deeply damaging.

But there is no logic in phoning Julie after the police. He had already decided what to do & it wastes valuble time.

Phoning Julie at 5.40am was not great either. Thought he would be worried sick standing outside WHF with the police.

Guess he should not have made either call.

[Adam]

You are either totally bereft of normal human understanding or taking the p***.  Even if you lean towards guilt but are willing to accept the possibility of innocence surely you can understand the probability that Jeremy was very close to Julie and it would be natural for him to consult her on most things. I  can understand why he rang her after Neville's phone call as he may have needed reassurance and again at 5.40am would imagine he felt very frightened and alone again needed the closest person to him. It's hardly rocket science Adam!!!!

 

[grahameb]

I rather believe the sequence of phone calls were Nevill phones Jeremy. Jeremy tries to phone back. Jeremy phones JM and then phones the police.

[Caroline]

Jeremy is in a no win situation.

Phoning Julie at 3.00am before Neville phoned & before phoning the police is deeply damaging.

But there is no logic in phoning Julie after the police. He had already decided what to do & it wastes valuble time.

Phoning Julie at 5.40am was not great either. Thought he would be worried sick standing outside WHF with the police.

Guess he should not have made either call.

One of the officers told him to call to keep his mind occupied with some thing else!! He didn't just wander off  . You haven't read any of the statements which is why you have no clue what you're talking about and hence the massive blunders!!

[maggie]

One of the officers told him to call to keep his mind occupied with some thing else!! He didn't just wander off  . You haven't read any of the statements which is why you have no clue what you're talking about and hence the massive blunders!!

Hi Caroline, I have already given Adam info from PC Adams and PC Collins statements showing Jeremy discussed phoning Julie with them and that they arranged his trip to the phone box and picking up Julie from the station.  Of course he hasn't commented on this and probably hasn't bothered to read it.

[Caroline]

PC Myall asked him if he wanted anyone with him and Jeremy said he wanted his girlfriend (Julie Mugford). He was accompanied by PC Robert Lay to call Julie about 05:30am and arrangements were made to pick Julie up.

[Caroline]

Hi Caroline, I have already given Adam info from PC Adams and PC Collins statements showing Jeremy discussed phoning Julie with them and that they arranged his trip to the phone box and picking up Julie from the station.  Of course he hasn't commented on this and probably hasn't bothered to read it.

That's because he can't comment - if he does, he'll have to admit that he didn't know!!

[Alias]

I rather believe the sequence of phone calls were Nevill phones Jeremy. Jeremy tries to phone back. Jeremy phones JM and then phones the police.

I tend to agree with that. I think he was confused and didn´t know what to do exactly, so he called Julie.

[maggie]

PC Myall asked him if he wanted anyone with him and Jeremy said he wanted his girlfriend (Julie Mugford). He was accompanied by PC Robert Lay to call Julie about 05:30am and arrangements were made to pick Julie up.

Was it Myall who gave a more detailed statement about this.  I know I read it but couldn't find his statement last night. Dyou know where it is?  Collins and Adams do mention it but would like Adam to read all three statements ..... fat chance!!!! 

[Alias]

Was it Myall who gave a more detailed statement about this.  I know I read it but couldn't find his statement last night. Dyou know where it is?  Collins and Adams do mention it but would like Adam to read all three statements ..... fat chance!!!! 

Why is it so strange that Jeremy needed his girlfriend at his side at such upsetting circumstances? To me that is perfectly natural!
So sick of that EVERYTHING Jeremy did and said is being twisted into something sinister, even down to his way of dressing, his getting hungry, his "chuckling", which most likely was sobbing - what person would be chuckling after killing five people, seriously! So sick of it.

[maggie]

Why is it so strange that Jeremy needed his girlfriend at his side at such upsetting circumstances? To me that is perfectly natural!
So sick of that EVERYTHING Jeremy did and said is being twisted into something sinister, even down to his way of dressing, his getting hungry, his "chuckling", which most likely was sobbing - what person would be chuckling after killing five people, seriously! So sick of it.

It's ridiculous isn't it?  I have said before on here that after my dad died suddenly in his sleep my mother was laughing on and off all morning. We were all aware she was distraught and on the edge but it was just the way shock affected her.  Forums often seem to attract people who enjoy judging others instead of looking at themselves imo.  It's all about casting out the beam in your own eye before judging others imo.

[Neil]

Jeremy is in a no win situation.

Phoning Julie at 3.00am before Neville phoned & before phoning the police is deeply damaging.

But there is no logic in phoning Julie after the police. He had already decided what to do & it wastes valuble time.

Phoning Julie at 5.40am was not great either. Thought he would be worried sick standing outside WHF with the police.

Guess he should not have made either call.

Hi Adam, how have you arrived at the conclusion, that Jeremy phoned Julie before he received the call from Ralf?

Forgive me if you have already stated this elsewhere.

[Adam]

Hi Adam, how have you arrived at the conclusion, that Jeremy phoned Julie before he received the call from Ralf?

Forgive me if you have already stated this elsewhere.