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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #195 on: March 31, 2014, 06:57:PM »
Ruddy parrot seed for tea again ? Your questions are repeats that have already been answered,Adam.

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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #196 on: March 31, 2014, 07:05:PM »
And this is exactly what I mean. Assuming you know how people will react to a phone call. Perhaps he thought that as his loving girlfriend she would hear the uncertainty in his voice - realise he must be worried to call her at that time in the morning and offer him some supportive words. Perhaps ask should she come over in case it was serious? ( because he did not know anyone had actually be shot at that time) I would think that would be quite an expected reaction tbh.

React to a 3.00am phone call.

Julie could not ring back on her phone. Anyway Jeremy was going to be incommunicardo at WHF. So she could not provide ongoing support.

Travel over ? It was 3.00am. She was a student miles away. She did not know what was happening. And neither did Jeremy, (although what he said suggests otherwise). Julie could not go out in Lewisham at that time. Too unsafe, and yes I have been to Lewisham.
 
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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #197 on: March 31, 2014, 07:10:PM »
I posted this back in December, so we have been over this already and rather recently. I think my interpretation of events surrounding the phonecalls makes perfect sense - as much sense as anything anyone might come up with. Here goes:

I think that Jeremy called Julie because he didn´t know what to do. He might have called her before he called the police. I interpret his call like this: He was insecure about what was happening, perhaps there had been incidents with Sheila before (well, we know that there had), and they had been settled within the family. Jeremy would have been unsure what NEVILL WANTED HIM TO DO. He had just asked him to come to the farm, not to call the police, so Jeremy called Julie.
"Everything is going well" meaning, I am OK, (but) "there is a problem at the farm (what should I do?)."
Julie, stoned: "Go back to bed."
Jeremy, now on his own, afraid to go to the farm alone, afraid to call 911 - it could upset a very private Nevill Bamber. He decided on a compromise: the local police, perhaps that would upset Nevill less than a 911 emergency.

That way the whole thing makes some sense, because taken out of this context, it just does not make sense to say: Everything is going well, something is wrong at the farm. And then Julie: go back to bed. No sense.

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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #198 on: March 31, 2014, 07:10:PM »
Julie did go over.

Jeremy summoned her over at 5.40am. Telling her a police car was picking her up. Although no one had any idea what had happened inside WHF. And didn't Jeremy say there were conversations inside the house ?
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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #199 on: March 31, 2014, 07:12:PM »
And this is exactly what I mean. Assuming you know how people will react to a phone call. Perhaps he thought that as his loving girlfriend she would hear the uncertainty in his voice - realise he must be worried to call her at that time in the morning and offer him some supportive words. Perhaps ask should she come over in case it was serious? ( because he did not know anyone had actually be shot at that time) I would think that would be quite an expected reaction tbh.


I'd be VERY surprised to learn that there was a significant other in Adam's life, Jansus. His understanding of the human state is, I'm afraid,seriously lacking if what he posts is anything to go by.

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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #200 on: March 31, 2014, 07:17:PM »
I posted this back in December, so we have been over this already and rather recently. I think my interpretation of events surrounding the phonecalls makes perfect sense - as much sense as anything anyone might come up with. Here goes:

I think that Jeremy called Julie because he didn´t know what to do. He might have called her before he called the police. I interpret his call like this: He was insecure about what was happening, perhaps there had been incidents with Sheila before (well, we know that there had), and they had been settled within the family. Jeremy would have been unsure what NEVILL WANTED HIM TO DO. He had just asked him to come to the farm, not to call the police, so Jeremy called Julie.
"Everything is going well" meaning, I am OK, (but) "there is a problem at the farm (what should I do?)."
Julie, stoned: "Go back to bed."
Jeremy, now on his own, afraid to go to the farm alone, afraid to call 911 - it could upset a very private Nevill Bamber. He decided on a compromise: the local police, perhaps that would upset Nevill less than a 911 emergency.

That way the whole thing makes some sense, because taken out of this context, it just does not make sense to say: Everything is going well, something is wrong at the farm. And then Julie: go back to bed. No sense.

Jeremy gets a call from Neville before 3.00am. Then rings Julie at 3.00am & says 'everything is going well' ? You forgot that he said he 'has not slept all night'.

Then 20 minutes later rings the police at 3.26am. Mind you he did have to get smartly dressed.
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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #201 on: March 31, 2014, 07:18:PM »
Julie did go over.

Jeremy summoned her over at 5.40am. Telling her a police car was picking her up. Although no one had any idea what had happened inside WHF. And didn't Jeremy say there were conversations inside the house ?

so ? what is your point?

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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #202 on: March 31, 2014, 07:19:PM »
Jeremy gets a call from Neville before 3.00am. Then rings Julie at 3.00am & says 'everything is going well' ? You forgot that he said he 'has not slept all night'.

Then 20 minutes later rings the police at 3.26am. Mind you he did have to get smartly dressed.

The timing you are quoting contradict all of the original WS - AGAIN!

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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #203 on: March 31, 2014, 07:19:PM »
Jeremy gets a call from Neville before 3.00am. Then rings Julie at 3.00am & says 'everything is going well' ? You forgot that he said he 'has not slept all night'.

Then 20 minutes later rings the police at 3.26am. Mind you he did have to get smartly dressed.



His mode of dress would depend largely on one's OWN interpretation of "smartly".

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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #204 on: March 31, 2014, 07:20:PM »
I don´t put much credence into times that relied on TWO clocks which were not correct and times that were twisted and wiggled into place to fit.

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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #205 on: March 31, 2014, 07:23:PM »
so ? what is your point?

Everyone could be alive. So why not stay at WHF and assist the police in talking Sheila down. Neville had taken the trouble to ring Jeremy & ask him to 'come quickly'.

Leaving to find a phone box & phone Julie is another mysterious call.
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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #206 on: March 31, 2014, 07:24:PM »
Adam are you having a laugh if you call that smartly dressed dread to think what you wear ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #207 on: March 31, 2014, 07:26:PM »


His mode of dress would depend largely on one's OWN interpretation of "smartly".

Well the police thought he looked very smart.
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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #208 on: March 31, 2014, 07:26:PM »
Adam are you having a laugh if you call that smartly dressed dread to think what you wear ;D ;D ;D

Call what smartly dressed ?
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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #209 on: March 31, 2014, 07:31:PM »
Everyone could be alive. So why not stay at WHF and assist the police in talking Sheila down. Neville had taken the trouble to ring Jeremy & ask him to 'come quickly'.

Leaving to find a phone box & phone Julie is another mysterious call.



And pigs MIGHT fly. With half of EP surrounding the house, I guess one COULD get the impression that something was seriously wrong. The police should have been more capable than Jeremy of doing whatever was needed.

As for your continuous wittering about the phone box, it's highly likely that the police didn't want jeremy to see what they did next. I don't recall reading anywhere about how Jeremy request a lift to a public call box, which incidentally was VERY much closer that his home in Goldhanger.