Jeremys second phone call to Julie:

[maggie]

Get well soon, maggie!

Thanks Alias, am doing really well but takes time. 

[Adam]

Julie said some strange things in her WS. Considering she was trying to frame Jeremy.

[Adam]

It is almost certain that Jeremy called Julie at 3.00am, before phoning the police & Nevilles call. Even Jeremy himself intially said he phoned Julie first.

Jeremys supporters dispute this although it may actually help his case if he was already awake when Neville called. Although it shows Jeremy was lying when claiming Nevilles call woke him.

Before or after. It was a very strange call Jeremy made.

There are lots of reasons below why Jeremy would not phone Julie after the police -

Neville had asked Jeremy to 'Come quickly'.

It was 3.00am. The phone may not be answered at all.

It was 3.00am. The phone may not be answered for a long time. Neville had asked Jeremy to 'come quickly'.

Jeremy had already spent a long time looking for the number of Chelmsford police station. Neville had asked Jeremy to 'come quickly'.

Julie would be half asleep & irritated at being woken up. Her answer is likely to be flippent.

Julie did not know the family as well as Jeremy. So may give poor advice.

Julie had not received Nevilles call so again would not be able to give a reasoned answer.

Jeremy did not need Julies advice. He had already made his decision. Ringing up Chelmsford police station & agreeing to meet them at WHF.

Jeremy did not need Julies support. He was a confident man of 24.

Julie was in London. She could not ring back on her phone so was no use during the rest of the night. It would just create worry for Julie.

Jeremy had no idea what had happened at WHF. Why ring someone just to say you do not know what is happening ?


Do other people think phoning Julie after the police would be unrealistic ?


 

[Caroline]

I have move the above post because we don't need another thread about the same phone call - the topic is the same!!

[Adam]

Good idea.

My 11 reasons/facts go together with the substantial evidence already written on this thread.

Jeremy being awake at 3.00am has good & bad points.

Good points -

He is more likely to answer the phone before the answering machine came on. Neville would have been unlikely to wait several minutes for an answer if the answering machine was off.


Bad points -

Jeremy was awake and rang Julie before Neville rang. According to Julie, Jeremy already knew there was something wrong at the farm, he had not slept all night & everything was going well. Jeremy did not refute this to the police, saying 'no comment' when asked why he phoned Julie. If Jeremy knew these things at 3.00am, he must be the murderer.

Jeremy lied to the police, saying Nevilles call woke him up. He then lied to the police saying he phoned Julie after the police.

[Caroline]

Good idea.

My 11 reasons/facts go together with the substantial evidence already written on this thread.

Jeremy being awake at 3.00am has good & bad points.

Good points -

He is more likely to answer the phone before the answering machine came on. Neville would have been unlikely to wait several minutes for an answer if the answering machine was off.


Bad points -

Jeremy was awake and rang Julie before Neville rang.

Jeremy lied to the police, saying Nevilles call woke him up. He then lied to the police saying he phoned Julie after the police.

Or the answer-phone may not have been on - but you can play around with the 'maybe's' all you like but you will NEVER know for sure!!

[Adam]

Just modified my last post.

The bad points really do point to guilt.

If Julie is telling the truth about what Jeremy said at his strange 3.00am call. Julie was not lying about receiving a phone call from Jeremy. Other witnesses were woken by the call. Jeremy himself admitted making the call, when interviewed by the police. However refused to say what he said to Julie.

[grahameb]

It is almost certain that Jeremy called Julie at 3.00am, before phoning the police & Nevilles call. Even Jeremy himself intially said he phoned Julie first.

Jeremys supporters dispute this although it may actually help his case if he was already awake when Neville called. Although it shows Jeremy was lying when claiming Nevilles call woke him.

Before or after. It was a very strange call Jeremy made.

There are lots of reasons below why Jeremy would not phone Julie after the police -

Neville had asked Jeremy to 'Come quickly'.

It was 3.00am. The phone may not be answered at all.

It was 3.00am. The phone may not be answered for a long time. Neville had asked Jeremy to 'come quickly'.

Jeremy had already spent a long time looking for the number of Chelmsford police station. Neville had asked Jeremy to 'come quickly'.

Julie would be half asleep & irritated at being woken up. Her answer is likely to be flippent.

Julie did not know the family as well as Jeremy. So may give poor advice.

Julie had not received Nevilles call so again would not be able to give a reasoned answer.

Jeremy did not need Julies advice. He had already made his decision. Ringing up Chelmsford police station & agreeing to meet them at WHF.

Jeremy did not need Julies support. He was a confident man of 24.

Julie was in London. She could not ring back on her phone so was no use during the rest of the night. It would just create worry for Julie.

Jeremy had no idea what had happened at WHF. Why ring someone just to say you do not know what is happening ?


Do other people think phoning Julie after the police would be unrealistic ?


 

Julie Mugford answered hers. If the phone in my house goes of at 3am I always hear it when I'm asleep. In fact I think that most people would answer their phones at that time, because it would more than likely be an emergency.

[grahameb]

Good idea.

My 11 reasons/facts go together with the substantial evidence already written on this thread.

Jeremy being awake at 3.00am has good & bad points.

Good points -

He is more likely to answer the phone before the answering machine came on. Neville would have been unlikely to wait several minutes for an answer if the answering machine was off.


Bad points -

Jeremy was awake and rang Julie before Neville rang. According to Julie, Jeremy already knew there was something wrong at the farm, he had not slept all night & everything was going well. Jeremy did not refute this to the police, saying 'no comment' when asked why he phoned Julie. If Jeremy knew these things at 3.00am, he must be the murderer.

Jeremy lied to the police, saying Nevilles call woke him up. He then lied to the police saying he phoned Julie after the police.

I thought he rang her in response to his father ringing him?

[lookout]

There was no suspicion,nor ulterior motive in Jeremy phoning JM at all. Little things like that have been blown out of all proportion to make it look bad for Jeremy.The same as everything else has been.
Apart from the tragedy itself,,the whole case against Jeremy has been,,in Shakespeares' words " Much Ado About Nothing ".

[maggie]

I thought he rang her in response to his father ringing him?

He did Grahame, except in Adams world.

[Adam]

Julie Mugford answered hers. If the phone in my house goes of at 3am I always hear it when I'm asleep. In fact I think that most people would answer their phones at that time, because it would more than likely be an emergency.

Thought her flatmate answered the phone.

Seems everyone was answering the phone & making calls at 3.00am that night.

Neville ringing his sleeping like a log son three miles away. While Sheila was going crazy with a gun.

Jeremy ringing Julie at 3.00am and then a police station miles away.

Even the good old fashioned pay phone got into the act at 5.40am.

[Adam]

I thought he rang her in response to his father ringing him?

No. Read my post on page one.

[Adam]

There was no suspicion,nor ulterior motive in Jeremy phoning JM at all. Little things like that have been blown out of all proportion to make it look bad for Jeremy.The same as everything else has been.
Apart from the tragedy itself,,the whole case against Jeremy has been,,in Shakespeares' words " Much Ado About Nothing ".

Why do you think Jeremy would phone Julie after phoning the police ?

Advice ? No he had already made his decision & was meeting the police at WHF. Although Neville apparently liked to keep things private.

Comfort ? Well Julie was asleep & would have been irritated at being woken up. As most people would be. Julie gave a flippant answer. Surely Jeremy would be expecting that.

[Jan]

Why do you think Jeremy would phone Julie after phoning the police ? Advice ? No he had already made his decision & was meeting the police at WHF. Although Neville apparently liked to keep things private.

Comfort ? Well Julie was asleep & would have been irritated at being woken up. As most people would be. Julie gave a flippant answer.

And this is exactly what I mean. Assuming you know how people will react to a phone call. Perhaps he thought that as his loving girlfriend she would hear the uncertainty in his voice - realise he must be worried to call her at that time in the morning and offer him some supportive words. Perhaps ask should she come over in case it was serious? ( because he did not know anyone had actually be shot at that time) I would think that would be quite an expected reaction tbh.