Jeremys second phone call to Julie:

[wilf]

And why did Jeremy leave WHF at 5.40am to phone Julie from a call box. Before anyone had entered WHF ? Source in Julies diaries.

He was so confident no one was alive he told her not to go to work & a police car was picking her up.

so where would he phone from? the police wanted him out of the way at some time and going to or being taken to a phone box by the police was what you would expect. in such a situation you would also expect the police to want a close friend to be available so it would be reasonable to arrange for her to be collected.

wilf

[grahameb]

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=255.0

In actual fact the diary in that link proves that she backdated it. Because she supposedly writes on January 1st 1985. But talks about the funeral in August 1985. Similarly so in the 6th August page. She writes in the past tense all the time.

[Jane]

In actual fact the diary in that link proves that she backdated it. Because she supposedly writes on January 1st 1985. But talks about the funeral in August 1985. Similarly so in the 6th August page. She writes in the past tense all the time.

GRAHAME!!! You're right!!! How the HELL can she write, on Jan 2nd 1985, things pertaining to a crime which doesn't happen in till August 1985?

[lookout]

 

What she's done here,,is completely,and purposely side-tracked the right date because she KNEW damn well that Jeremy was innocent,and that had she written using the correct time/date etc,,then she would be perjuring. See what I'm getting at ? So she did have half a conscience at least,,but not enough,I'm afraid,in order to gain his freedom.
If she'd have written into the dates intended,,it would have appeared as the written truth. She was one crafty,cunning bint.

[maggie]

so where would he phone from? the police wanted him out of the way at some time and going to or being taken to a phone box by the police was what you would expect. in such a situation you would also expect the police to want a close friend to be available so it would be reasonable to arrange for her to be collected.

wilf

The police asked Jeremy if he had some one close he would like to contact and he obviously said Jeremy. The police then took him to a phone box to phone her. I would imagine there was a conversation between Jeremy and the police and they said they would pick Julie up and bring her down to his cottage.  The police did it to distract Jeremy while they broke into the house, Adam. 

[lookout]

You've only to think of the time that JM visited the mortuary,and " asked " a deceased Sheila,who'd done it. Would she have uttered those words if she'd KNOWN it to be Jeremy ? No,,she wasn't the type. JM was seeking guidance,assurance,call it what you like,but her conscience was beginning to waver after having been told so many things by the police and the relatives.
Notice that she didn't shout it out in court that " he done it ".Her words !

[lookout]

I'm convinced that whether Jeremy dumped JM or not,,and that if JM hadn't been offered £25,000,,then she wouldn't have played any part in " sending Jeremy down ". It's surprising the effect that an offer of money creates.It immediately brings out the mistrust in a person. Money is power to a simple mind.
It was nothing less than bribery and corruption on the part of the police in order to get a conviction. How utterly wrong and unjust was this ?

[Caroline]

In actual fact the diary in that link proves that she backdated it. Because she supposedly writes on January 1st 1985. But talks about the funeral in August 1985. Similarly so in the 6th August page. She writes in the past tense all the time.

Oh dear, no response from Adam - unsurprisingly!!

[Caroline]

I appreciate that Jeremys supporters have to rubbish all the evidence showing Jeremy phoned Julie at 3am.

But sometimes you have to accept it happened.

Jeremy being awake at 3am does not make him guilty. But he needs to say why he told police he was sleeping 'like a log' & Nevilles call woke him. His answering machine strangly switched off.

You haven't posted any evidence to support your 'theory' A back dated diary and a bunch of people all giving different times isn't proof of anything but it does support the notion of a frame up!!

[Jan]

Adam did not get my post at all did he ?

I think it clearly shows that the timings of calls was manipulated because there was immunity offered to the girls.

The fact that the police tried to say the clock was wrong in the station , which was later denied as well shows this as well.

Julie in her OWS says he called her about 3.30 - which  could have been possible - so either her diary or her OWS taken the day afterwards was not the truth.

Take your pick Adam - its obvious you will chose the one that suits you.

Personally I think the timings of calls are not relevant without proof so you are wasting your time - they have been changed by witnesses and EP all the way through so you are on a bit of a lost trail really .

[Jane]

Adam did not get my post at all did he ?

I think it clearly shows that the timings of calls was manipulated because there was immunity offered to the girls.

The fact that the police tried to say the clock was wrong in the station , which was later denied as well shows this as well.

Julie in her OWS says he called her about 3.30 - which  could have been possible - so either her diary or her OWS taken the day afterwards was not the truth.




They fudge them here, They fudge then there,
They fudge those timings everywhere
3 or 3.30, both will do well
In convincing the jury to send Jeremy to hell.

Take your pick Adam - its obvious you will chose the one that suits you.

Personally I think the timings of calls are not relevant without proof so you are wasting your time - they have been changed by witnesses and EP all the way through so you are on a bit of a lost trail really .

[Adam]

so where would he phone from? the police wanted him out of the way at some time and going to or being taken to a phone box by the police was what you would expect. in such a situation you would also expect the police to want a close friend to be available so it would be reasonable to arrange for her to be collected.

wilf

You do not understand my point.

Jeremy rang Julie at 5.40am. Telling her a police car was picking her up.

However the raid team had not even arrived. No one knew what had happened in WHF. Everyone could be asleep & alive. But Jeremy seemed sure that was not the case & was not interested in staying outside WHF to see if there were any developments. How did he know ?

After his 3.00am phone call, Jeremy phoned again less than three hours later. Wanting Julie to come over as quickly as possible. Itching to do a bit of boasting ?

[Adam]

Adam did not get my post at all did he ?

I think it clearly shows that the timings of calls was manipulated because there was immunity offered to the girls.

The fact that the police tried to say the clock was wrong in the station , which was later denied as well shows this as well.

Julie in her OWS says he called her about 3.30 - which  could have been possible - so either her diary or her OWS taken the day afterwards was not the truth.

Take your pick Adam - its obvious you will chose the one that suits you.

Personally I think the timings of calls are not relevant without proof so you are wasting your time - they have been changed by witnesses and EP all the way through so you are on a bit of a lost trail really .

Oh yes, Susan Battersby lied to prevent a life term after the joint cheque book fraud.

And what about the other two  witnesses ? One saying her digital clock said  2 something ?

Proof. What are witnesses ?

[Adam]

You haven't posted any evidence to support your 'theory' A back dated diary and a bunch of people all giving different times isn't proof of anything but it does support the notion of a frame up!!

I am afraid you are wrong again.

Four people said the call was between 2.00am - 3.00am. Jeremy was on the phone at 3.26am for several minutes so could not have phoned Julie at 3.30am.

Julies diary says it was 3.00am. There is no evidence it was falseified or backdated. It was not discussed in court so what was the point ?

Anyway I have created a thread saying Jeremy being awake at 3.00am does not make him guilty. Do you agree ?

[Adam]

I'm convinced that whether Jeremy dumped JM or not,,and that if JM hadn't been offered £25,000,,then she wouldn't have played any part in " sending Jeremy down ". It's surprising the effect that an offer of money creates.It immediately brings out the mistrust in a person. Money is power to a simple mind.
It was nothing less than bribery and corruption on the part of the police in order to get a conviction. How utterly wrong and unjust was this ?

Jeremy did not dump Julie. He said himself the relationship had been coming to a close over several months. Julie would have been pleased to escape after Jeremys confession regarding the massacre & his asking another woman out in front on her. Amyway a scorned woman is more likely to tell the truth.

The NOTW offer would not have been until 1986. Julie would not have been expecting an offer when she first started speaking with the police.