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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #45 on: March 28, 2014, 06:08:PM »
Adam lookout did not say they were alcoholics just liked an odd glass or two and a wee bit of puff ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #46 on: March 28, 2014, 06:09:PM »
Everyone at that place were bombed off their skulls with drink and drugs and didn't know whether it was Christmas Day or Pancake Tuesday. Even JM told Jeremy to go back to bed ( which proves he WAS in bed,and not out killing anyone ) then with that,she turned over and went back to sleep.
I can see the situation,,they were students,and students don't do sensible at that hour of the morning.
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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #47 on: March 28, 2014, 06:48:PM »
Adam,,why are you going to the red forum,then coming here with posts that others have written ???
Why don't you just stay there ?

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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #48 on: March 28, 2014, 06:54:PM »
Adam,,why are you going to the red forum,then coming here with posts that others have written ???
Why don't you just stay there ?
He used to have a job as a copyist.

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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #49 on: March 28, 2014, 06:58:PM »
He used to have a job as a copyist.




I've just called him a plagiarist,,as that's what he is. His motive is non too honest either.

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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #50 on: March 28, 2014, 07:10:PM »
I think this explains about the clock timings quite well I think.

Funny how there is no memory of the police going with them to the bank - because the bank manager remembers it well.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1166.0.html

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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #51 on: March 28, 2014, 07:18:PM »
SMS----------Selective Memory Syndrome.From which it appeared to be rather catching.

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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #52 on: March 28, 2014, 10:02:PM »
This issue is very important.

It shows Jeremy was awake at 3.00am.  And for some reason phoned Julie ?

Very damaging.

It shows nothing of the sort!! There were several DIFFERENT times quoted, you have simply CHOSEN the one the best matches YOUR THEORY. That's NOT a FACT Adam that's just YOUR OPINION!!
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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #53 on: March 28, 2014, 10:55:PM »
I think this explains about the clock timings quite well I think.

Funny how there is no memory of the police going with them to the bank - because the bank manager remembers it well.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1166.0.html

Yes, he also remembered that the police officer stayed to sort some things after the girls left - which strongly, STRONGLY indicates that Julie did not go to the bank on her own volition. EP needed a "clean" star "witness" (witness of what BTW - it was all hearsay).
Heard a lawyer say yesterday that it happens all the time that police convince "star witnesses" that it is all right to bend the truth, a tad, or outright lie, because they "know" they have the right culprit.

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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #54 on: March 29, 2014, 02:08:AM »
I think this explains about the clock timings quite well I think.

Funny how there is no memory of the police going with them to the bank - because the bank manager remembers it well.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1166.0.html

It's also strange that it was Stan Jones's day off!
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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #55 on: March 29, 2014, 02:09:AM »
Yes, he also remembered that the police officer stayed to sort some things after the girls left - which strongly, STRONGLY indicates that Julie did not go to the bank on her own volition. EP needed a "clean" star "witness" (witness of what BTW - it was all hearsay).
Heard a lawyer say yesterday that it happens all the time that police convince "star witnesses" that it is all right to bend the truth, a tad, or outright lie, because they "know" they have the right culprit.

Exactly!
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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #56 on: March 29, 2014, 03:03:AM »
It shows nothing of the sort!! There were several DIFFERENT times quoted, you have simply CHOSEN the one the best matches YOUR THEORY. That's NOT a FACT Adam that's just YOUR OPINION!!
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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #57 on: March 29, 2014, 03:05:AM »
The following morning she was awoken by a telephone call from the appellant to her lodgings in London. The appellant said to her, "Everything is going well. Something is wrong at the farm. I haven't had any sleep all night … bye honey and I love you lots".

Miss Mugford did not take him seriously and went back to sleep.As to the timing of this call, Miss Mugford said in evidence said that it was between 3.00 and 3.30 a.m.

A number of Miss Mugford's housemates were disturbed by the telephone call and provided additional evidence as to timing. 

One, Helen Eaton, had been consulted by Julie Mugford, when the latter was first making a statement to the police about it. She put the time at 3.00 a.m. in evidence but agreed in cross-examination that it might have been as late as 3.30 a.m.

Another flat mate, Sue Battersby, said that she was positive that when she was disturbed, she had looked at her clock and the time shown was 3.12 a.m. However, she pointed out that she was in the habit of keeping her clock about 10 minutes early and police checks made on the clock confirmed this to be the case. If her evidence was right and if the clock was, as the evidence suggested, ten minutes fast, the time was probably no more than a minute or two after 3 a.m.

Joanna Wood gave evidence that when she heard the telephone, she looked at her digital clock and all that she noted was that the time was 2 something. This meant that according to her clock the time was between 2.00 and 2.59 a.m. If it was at the end of that bracket, it differed very little from the time suggested by Susan Battersby's evidence.
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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #58 on: March 29, 2014, 03:07:AM »
So it seems that Jeremys phone call was at 3.00am. The most damning evidence from Joanna Wood.

However there is a slim chance it was at 3.30am. Hang on, didn't Jeremy ring the police at 3.26am. The call lasting several minutes after being put on hold ? So he couldn't have rang Julie at 3.30am.

Maybe Jeremy rang Julie at 3.40. Hang on, he was driving (slowly) to WHF at that time after getting smartly dressed. And none of the witnesses said the call was that late.

If this evidence & the 4 witnesses are correct & Jeremy phoned Julie around 3am, that is over 20 minutes before 'dad' rang Jeremy. But Jeremy said he was sleeping like a log with his answering machine switched off. 'Dad's' call waking him.

I will leave the last words to Jeremy when asked why he phoned Julie at that unsocial hour - 'No comment'. That was after intially saying he phoned Julie first.
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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #59 on: March 29, 2014, 03:15:AM »
The following morning she was awoken by a telephone call from the appellant to her lodgings in London. The appellant said to her, "Everything is going well. Something is wrong at the farm. I haven't had any sleep all night … bye honey and I love you lots".

Miss Mugford did not take him seriously and went back to sleep.As to the timing of this call, Miss Mugford said in evidence said that it was between 3.00 and 3.30 a.m.

A number of Miss Mugford's housemates were disturbed by the telephone call and provided additional evidence as to timing.

One, Helen Eaton, had been consulted by Julie Mugford, when the latter was first making a statement to the police about it. She put the time at 3.00 a.m. in evidence but agreed in cross-examination that it might have been as late as 3.30 a.m.

Another flat mate, Sue Battersby, said that she was positive that when she was disturbed, she had looked at her clock and the time shown was 3.12 a.m. However, she pointed out that she was in the habit of keeping her clock about 10 minutes early and police checks made on the clock confirmed this to be the case. If her evidence was right and if the clock was, as the evidence suggested, ten minutes fast, the time was probably no more than a minute or two after 3 a.m.

Joanna Wood gave evidence that when she heard the telephone, she looked at her digital clock and all that she noted was that the time was 2 something. This meant that according to her clock the time was between 2.00 and 2.59 a.m. If it was at the end of that bracket, it differed very little from the time suggested by Susan Battersby's evidence.

Exactly no one was certain!
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