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Offline Adam

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Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« on: March 27, 2014, 05:43:PM »
Interesting section from the 2002 appeal.

The following morning she was awoken by a telephone call from the appellant to her lodgings in London. The appellant said to her, "Everything is going well. Something is wrong at the farm. I haven't had any sleep all night … bye honey and I love you lots". Miss Mugford did not take him seriously and went back to sleep.As to the timing of this call, Miss Mugford said in evidence said that it was between 3.00 and 3.30 a.m.

A number of Miss Mugford's housemates were disturbed by the telephone call and provided additional evidence as to timing.

One, Helen Eaton, had been consulted by Julie Mugford, when the latter was first making a statement to the police about it. She put the time at 3.00 a.m. in evidence but agreed in cross-examination that it might have been as late as 3.30 a.m.

Another flat mate, Sue Battersby, said that she was positive that when she was disturbed, she had looked at her clock and the time shown was 3.12 a.m. However, she pointed out that she was in the habit of keeping her clock about 10 minutes early and police checks made on the clock confirmed this to be the case. If her evidence was right and if the clock was, as the evidence suggested, ten minutes fast, the time was probably no more than a minute or two after 3 a.m.

Joanna Wood gave evidence that when she heard the telephone, she looked at her digital clock and all that she noted was that the time was 2 something. This meant that according to her clock the time was between 2.00 and 2.59 a.m. If it was at the end of that bracket, it differed very little from the time suggested by Susan Battersby's evidence.

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So it seems that Jeremys phone call was at 3.00am. The most damning evidence from Joanna Wood.

However there is a slim chance it was at 3.30am. Hang on, didn't Jeremy ring the police at 3.26am. The call lasting several minutes after being put on hold ? So he couldn't have rang Julie at 3.30am.

Maybe Jeremy rang Julie at 3.40. Hang on, he was driving to WHF at that time after getting smartly dressed. And none of the witnesses said the call was that late.

If this evidence & the 4 witnesses are correct & Jeremy phoned Julie around 3am, that is over 20 minutes before 'dad' rang Jeremy. But Jeremy said he was sleeping like a log with his answering machine switched off. 'Dad's' call waking him.

Julies much discussed diary has the call at 3.00am.

I will leave the last words to Jeremy when asked why he phoned Julie at that unsocial hour - 'No comment'. That was after intially saying he phoned Julie first.

Do other people beleive Jeremy phoning Julie at 3.00am is conclusive of his guilt ?
« Last Edit: March 31, 2014, 06:44:PM by Adam »
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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2014, 05:53:PM »
Everyone at that place were bombed off their skulls with drink and drugs and didn't know whether it was Christmas Day or Pancake Tuesday. Even JM told Jeremy to go back to bed ( which proves he WAS in bed,and not out killing anyone ) then with that,she turned over and went back to sleep.
I can see the situation,,they were students,and students don't do sensible at that hour of the morning.

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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2014, 06:31:PM »
Everyone at that place were bombed off their skulls with drink and drugs and didn't know whether it was Christmas Day or Pancake Tuesday. Even JM told Jeremy to go back to bed ( which proves he WAS in bed,and not out killing anyone ) then with that,she turned over and went back to sleep.
I can see the situation,,they were students,and students don't do sensible at that hour of the morning.

Where did you read that the 4 witnesses were bombed out of their skulls on drink & drugs ?

Julie had no idea whether Jeremy had been in bed or not. She had been sleeping. People usually are at 3am.

Jeremy being awake at 3am shows certain guilt.
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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2014, 06:33:PM »
lookout the reason I love you is because you tell it as it is ;D Christmas Day or Pancake Tuesday ;D ;D ;D but you are right of course. :-*

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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2014, 06:35:PM »
Adam your statement people are usually sleeping at 3 a.m you have to apply that to Jeremy as well you cannot have rules for one and another set for another.

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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2014, 06:39:PM »
Adam your statement people are usually sleeping at 3 a.m you have to apply that to Jeremy as well you cannot have rules for one and another set for another.

Perhaps Jeremy stayed awake that night. He did say 'tonights the night'.
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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2014, 06:46:PM »
Adam yes he said "tonights the night" to Julie yet she still allowed the whole family to be murdered.  Would you consider that normal behaviour.

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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2014, 06:48:PM »
Jeremy being awake at 3am & phoning Julie at that time, 20 minutes before Nevilles mysterious call,  does not make him guilty.

However it is a massive 'curious coincidence' & circumstantial evidence. The jury would think it too much of a coincidence.

Jeremy told the police he was 'sleeping like a log' & Nevilles call woke him. Why lie from the first minute if you are innocent ?
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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2014, 06:49:PM »
Adam yes he said "tonights the night" to Julie yet she still allowed the whole family to be murdered.  Would you consider that normal behaviour.

Julie did not believe he would do anything. It is not often a family is massacred.
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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2014, 07:00:PM »
Adam please come on now Jeremy had been telling her for a year he planned doing it and yet she did not believe him until he passed her over for another fair maiden.

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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2014, 07:04:PM »
Adam please come on now Jeremy had been telling her for a year he planned doing it and yet she did not believe him until he passed her over for another fair maiden.

The thread I have created is about Jeremy phoning Julie 20 minutes before 'dad' phoned Jeremy.

What is you're view on that ?
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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2014, 07:08:PM »
Adam sorry don't have a view on that at the moment will let you know when I have figured it out,

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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2014, 07:12:PM »
Adam sorry don't have a view on that at the moment will let you know when I have figured it out,

I like honesty.

My view is it highlights Jeremys guilt as he wasn't even asleep when Neville was supposed to have phoned.

A family massacred in the middle of the night. Jeremy awake at 3am....
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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2014, 07:14:PM »
Even the police could not get the timings of the calls correct and contradicted themselves . So how can you expect a house full of students  to get it right?

The only reason JB doubted the timings is that the police said they could prove the time . They were not telling the truth . Look at his interviews - he was relieved when they said that because then they could prove the call from his father.

I am glad I can not see Adams posts - he is on ignore - because this is like groundhog day again .

The police did not know if their clock was 10 minutes wrong or not - FACT - so that throws all your theories out of the window.

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Re: Jeremys second phone call to Julie:
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2014, 07:23:PM »
Even the police could not get the timings of the calls correct and contradicted themselves . So how can you expect a house full of students  to get it right?

The only reason JB doubted the timings is that the police said they could prove the time . They were not telling the truth . Look at his interviews - he was relieved when they said that because then they could prove the call from his father.

I am glad I can not see Adams posts - he is on ignore - because this is like groundhog day again .

The police did not know if their clock was 10 minutes wrong or not - FACT - so that throws all your theories out of the window.

Thought you were not reading my posts. Probably because you only like reading posts that agree with you. Cry baby.

It throws nothing out of the window.

The police reveived a call at 3.26am. From Jeremy. Meaning Jeremy could not have phoned Julie at 3.30.

Four people giving very similar times. Not surprising. It is not often a phone wakes you up at 3.00am. Or something you forget.

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