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« Reply #630 on: May 18, 2014, 08:38:PM »
He tried, he hit Nevill in the face 2 times but either because of Nevill moved or he wasn't the best shot these blows did not disable him as hoped.  One shot a piece of his lip off and the other shattered his jaw and severed his voicebox. The shots that hit his shoulder, arm and side were obviously aimed at his chest not his arms. the shots did not land where hoped.  It's not as if he did't try.

 
The blows to his head were made downstairs. The chip from the rifle butt was found downstairs. You can't tell me he couldn't get a good aim at Ralph when he was asleep. He allegedly managed to hit the boys at close range and most of the guilty camp sai he was a good shot. Well if he was such a good shot, then one shot to his head while he was asleep would have done it. He alledgely did it with Sheila when she was awake.

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« Reply #631 on: May 18, 2014, 08:41:PM »
The tranquizing properties are not side effects they are intended effect, that is how it works.  People on these drugs do not lead normal lives as you or I know it.  It just enables them to be in the world instead of locked up in a hospital.  Keeping them on drugs is seen as better than locked up and thus away from society altogether.   

The agitation and insmnia is from the countering agents.  That's why Sheila stopped taking hers. When she was on 200MG she had to have the countering agent but on 100MG she was able to do without it.  She could not sleep while on 200MG but after the reduction and stopping of the countering agent that problem subsided.

Note the dexterity problems though that you chose not to highlight.  Those problems would make loading a gun a chore let alone trying to land 25 of 25 shots successfully.
I thought you said before that the reduction from 200mg to 100 mg would make very little difference?

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« Reply #632 on: May 18, 2014, 08:50:PM »
The blows to his head were made downstairs. The chip from the rifle butt was found downstairs. You can't tell me he couldn't get a good aim at Ralph when he was asleep. He allegedly managed to hit the boys at close range and most of the guilty camp sai he was a good shot. Well if he was such a good shot, then one shot to his head while he was asleep would have done it. He alledgely did it with Sheila when she was awake.

He stood right at the foot of each bed to shoot the boys.   The shots fired into the masterbedroom were all fired to the right of the bed near the door.

There is no evidence he fired a weapon anytime recently let laone was  agreat shot. The surprise factor as well as shooting at close range enabled him to hit his targets but he needed so many rounds to kill them because he wasn't a good enough shot to fatally wound them right away. 

Sheila not only never loaded or fired a gun before she had the added problem of her medication's side effects which cause tremors and dexterity problems.  For her landing all 25 shots at all would have been difficult even considering the ranges invovled and Nevill woul dhave little reason to call Jeremy to disarm her instead of doing so himself.   
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« Reply #633 on: May 18, 2014, 08:59:PM »
I thought you said before that the reduction from 200mg to 100 mg would make very little difference?

It makes little difference in efficacy from treating mental illness.  It makes a big difference in side effects.  It is not safe to stay on more than 100MG for long term health not just the side effects that affect everyday life functions. Your life expectancy decreases if you stay on more than 200MG (because it affects overall health) plus the tremors and other side effects are even more pronounced. Since the efficacy rate doesn't go up above 100MG it means there is no medical reason why  someone should be prescribed more. Today those who are prescribed more are pretty much desired to be kept as vegetables in instituitions so that they workers in such institutions need not do much to take care of them. 

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« Reply #634 on: May 18, 2014, 09:02:PM »
It makes little difference in efficacy from treating mental illness.  It makes a big difference in side effects.  It is not safe to stay on more than 100MG for long term health not just the side effects that affect everyday life functions. Your life expectancy decreases if you stay on more than 200MG (because it affects overall health) plus the tremors and other side effects are even more pronounced. Since the efficacy rate doesn't go up above 100MG it means there is no medical reason why  someone should be prescribed more. Today those who are prescribed more are pretty much desired to be kept as vegetables in instituitions so that they workers in such institutions need not do much to take care of them.

Can you provide documentation for this? I have been reading material that contradicts it - on several websites.

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« Reply #635 on: May 18, 2014, 09:03:PM »
He stood right at the foot of each bed to shoot the boys.   The shots fired into the masterbedroom were all fired to the right of the bed near the door.

There is no evidence he fired a weapon anytime recently let laone was  agreat shot. The surprise factor as well as shooting at close range enabled him to hit his targets but he needed so many rounds to kill them because he wasn't a good enough shot to fatally wound them right away. 

Sheila not only never loaded or fired a gun before she had the added problem of her medication's side effects which cause tremors and dexterity problems.  For her landing all 25 shots at all would have been difficult even considering the ranges invovled and Nevill woul dhave little reason to call Jeremy to disarm her instead of doing so himself.
So you disagree with the majority of guilty club members then, who state quite categorically and allegedly quote family members that he was a crack shot? You of course realise that you are contradicting David Boutflour who stated that he was a crack shot?

The guilty party's whole case depend upon this statement. They say that every shot hit its target and therefore Sheila who is supposedly not to know anything about guns could not possibly had done it. But Jeremy they say. Now he was a crack shot because every shot hit the taget.

Now you are saying that all those on the gulty side are wrong and that there was no evidence that Jeremy was a very good shot?
Thank you scipio. I take your "expert" opinion about the opinion of the whole of the guilty side. ;)

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« Reply #636 on: May 18, 2014, 09:04:PM »
It makes little difference in efficacy from treating mental illness.  It makes a big difference in side effects.  It is not safe to stay on more than 100MG for long term health not just the side effects that affect everyday life functions. Your life expectancy decreases if you stay on more than 200MG (because it affects overall health) plus the tremors and other side effects are even more pronounced. Since the efficacy rate doesn't go up above 100MG it means there is no medical reason why  someone should be prescribed more. Today those who are prescribed more are pretty much desired to be kept as vegetables in instituitions so that they workers in such institutions need not do much to take care of them.
Ah! So now you are adding to what you have said before then?

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« Reply #637 on: May 18, 2014, 09:05:PM »
Can you provide documentation for this? I have been reading material that contradicts it - on several websites.
You've got to remember Alias that he has extensive knowledge of these things, because he had a girfriend once who was a nurse. ;D

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« Reply #638 on: May 18, 2014, 09:08:PM »
You've got to remember Alias that he has extensive knowledge of these things, because he had a girfriend once who was a nurse. ;D

My mother used to be a pharmacist..... makes me a bigger "expert", it´s in my blood....   :P Seriously though, I was always very interested in pharmacology, find it fascinating! Doesn´t make me an expert of course, but I can find and I can read.
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« Reply #639 on: May 18, 2014, 09:14:PM »
It makes little difference in efficacy from treating mental illness.  It makes a big difference in side effects.  It is not safe to stay on more than 100MG for long term health not just the side effects that affect everyday life functions. Your life expectancy decreases if you stay on more than 200MG (because it affects overall health) plus the tremors and other side effects are even more pronounced. Since the efficacy rate doesn't go up above 100MG it means there is no medical reason why  someone should be prescribed more. Today those who are prescribed more are pretty much desired to be kept as vegetables in instituitions so that they workers in such institutions need not do much to take care of them.
The fact is Sheila was able to apply her make up, roll her own ciggies and and do her nails so cannot see why she couldn't fire a vermin rifle. 
It had hardly any recoil and a child could easily use it.   

I have read somewhere that Jeremy won certificates for target shooting while at Greshams.

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« Reply #640 on: May 18, 2014, 09:19:PM »
The fact is Sheila was able to apply her make up, roll her own ciggies and and do her nails so cannot see why she couldn't fire a vermin rifle. 
It had hardly any recoil and a child could easily use it.   

I have read somewhere that Jeremy won certificates for target shooting while at Greshams.
Well anyone can see that she was able to paint her tor and finger nails at least with no problem. This whole business about the drugs doesn't convince me at all. She didn't appear to be very drugged up when she answered the phone the evening before. I think it's all a ruse by the guilty party to steer the blame away from the person who is the reall guilty party ond on to an innocent party.

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Re: What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?
« Reply #641 on: May 18, 2014, 09:19:PM »
The fact is Sheila was able to apply her make up, roll her own ciggies and and do her nails so cannot see why she couldn't fire a vermin rifle. 
It had hardly any recoil and a child could easily use it.   

I have read somewhere that Jeremy won certificates for target shooting while at Greshams.

He was described as a 'crack shot' Maggie.
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« Reply #642 on: May 18, 2014, 09:20:PM »
Well anyone can see that she was able to paint her tor and finger nails at least with no problem. This whole business about the drugs doesn't convince me at all. She didn't appear to be very drugged up when she answered the phone the evening before. I think it's all a ruse by the guilty party to steer the blame away from the person who is the reall guilty party ond on to an innocent party.

Sheila wouldn´t have had all that much medication left in her system - probably not ENOOUGH!

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« Reply #643 on: May 18, 2014, 09:22:PM »
Well anyone can see that she was able to paint her tor and finger nails at least with no problem. This whole business about the drugs doesn't convince me at all. She didn't appear to be very drugged up when she answered the phone the evening before. I think it's all a ruse by the guilty party to steer the blame away from the person who is the reall guilty party ond on to an innocent party.

Perhaps Jeremy painted them after making her bed and laying the breakfast table?  ;D ;D

Something I just thought of about the phones - IF the phone under the magazines was hidden by Jeremy, why wouldn't he just replace it before he the scene left?
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« Reply #644 on: May 18, 2014, 09:23:PM »
The tranquizing properties are not side effects they are intended effect, that is how it works.  People on these drugs do not lead normal lives as you or I know it.  It just enables them to be in the world instead of locked up in a hospital.  Keeping them on drugs is seen as better than locked up and thus away from society altogether.   

The agitation and insmnia is from the countering agents.  That's why Sheila stopped taking hers. When she was on 200MG she had to have the countering agent but on 100MG she was able to do without it.  She could not sleep while on 200MG but after the reduction and stopping of the countering agent that problem subsided

Note the dexterity problems though that you chose not to highlight.  Those problems would make loading a gun a chore let alone trying to land 25 of 25 shots successfully.


Agitation and insomnia are KNOWN side effects of Haloperidol. The information on it which you have posted is quite wrong.
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