What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?

[Caroline]

The only other thing is that we could be comparing those feet which have recently deceased as opposed to the cadaverous form of the same feet-------------I don't know,,but it's feasible I suppose.

I don't think feet shrink after death or the heels suddenly crack but it COULD be just a bad picture - a REALLT BAD picture.

[scipio_usmc]

Oh, OK, thanks. So her nail wasn´t broken. They also found a fake fingernail, right?

Her nail wasn't broken there was some varnish supposedly missing from her nail.

Since she wore sandals and walked around barefoot her varnish could have chipped off any at time and could have naturally been left in the kitchen prior to the murders.

At any rate there is no proof that her varnish was in the kitchen.  No one collected varhnish that was tested and matched to the varnish on he rnails.

The photo expert claimed that he blew up a tiny speck in a photo and that the blow up of the speck is the same exact shape and color as the missing varnish.  Most people consider his claim he was able to blow up a speck in such crappy photos to such a great degree that he was able to match the shape and color of a tiny bit of varnish missing incredulous.

I don't know that the foot has blood on it.  The marks on the feet look to be under the skin.  I don't know what these discolorings are called but I have seen older people with marks like that and they do not go away.  I don't know how people can have a foot fetish, I find feet gross maybe look for one of them for an expert opinion.   

Sheila was 5'5" according to the autopsy and was thin all over so I would assume she would not have hooves as someone else referred to it.     

[Caroline]

Her nail wasn't broken there was some varnish supposedly missing from her nail.

Since she wore sandals and walked around barefoot her varnish could have chipped off any at time and could have naturally been left in the kitchen prior to the murders.

At any rate there is no proof that her varnish was in the kitchen.  No one collected varhnish that was tested and matched to the varnish on he rnails.

The photo expert claimed that he blew up a tiny speck in a photo and that the blow up of the speck is the same exact shape and color as the missing varnish.  Most people consider his claim he was able to blow up a speck in such crappy photos to such a great degree that he was able to match the shape and color of a tiny bit of varnish missing incredulous.

I don't know that the foot has blood on it.  The marks on the feet look to be under the skin.  I don't know what these discolorings are called but I have seen older people with marks like that and they do not go away.  I don't know how people can have a foot fetish, I find feet gross maybe look for one of them for an expert opinion.   

Sheila was 5'5" according to the autopsy and was thin all over so I would assume she would not have hooves as someone else referred to it.     

Do you have a link for this as every other document (and book) I have read states that Sheila was 5' 7" and Ann Eaton confirms that Sheila had BIG feet.

[Caroline]

As I thought, Venezis quoted her height as 5' 7.5"

[Martin]

So, a bed that doesn't look slept in must have been slept in? And Neville must have been shot in bed even though there is no blood on his side? Don't you think you're simply pushing the pieces into holes that don't fit because they coincide with your view? (Obviously you're going to say no).

Why must Nevill have been shot in bed? I can’t see why that is necessarily true. Isn’t that an assumption made in support of the prosecution’s claim that the idea of Nevill phoning after he was shot is quite absurd? I agree with the prosecutor that it is.

If he phoned, it must have been before he was shot and when he was not in bed.

[scipio_usmc]

As I thought, Venezis quoted her height as 5' 7.5"

I said 5'7" the other night and someone told me I was wrong that the report said 5'5" I didn't bother to check since 2 inches is no big deal but nice to see I wasn't crazy.

I'm not a foot fan so idea what counts as big feet for women.

 

[Caroline]

Why must Nevill have been shot in bed? I can’t see why that is necessarily true. Isn’t that an assumption made in support of the prosecution’s claim that the idea of Nevill phoning after he was shot is quite absurd? I agree with the prosecutor that it is.

If he phoned, it must have been before he was shot and when he was not in bed.

I think you read my post incorrectly - I'm NOT saying her was shot in bed - I was questioning Scipio's claim that he was.

[Caroline]

I said 5'7" the other night and someone told me I was wrong that the report said 5'5" I didn't bother to check since 2 inches is no big deal but nice to see I wasn't crazy.

I'm not a foot fan so idea what counts as big feet for women.

 

If I were 2" taller, it would be a big deal!!

I guess a UK size 8 or 9 for a woman is pretty big - not sure what the equivalent in the US is?

[Martin]

I think you read my post incorrectly - I'm NOT saying her was shot in bed - I was questioning Scipio's claim that he was.

Sorry, I didn’t really read it incorrectly. I just meant to add a comment based on your criticism. But looking at it, I admit it looks like I mistook it for your opinion.

[Caroline]

Sorry, I didn’t really read it incorrectly. I just meant to add a comment based on your criticism. But looking at it, I admit it looks like I mistook it for your opinion.

No problem.

[scipio_usmc]

I think you read my post incorrectly - I'm NOT saying her was shot in bed - I was questioning Scipio's claim that he was.

Someone 5'7" would hold a rifle 56" high or less. Nevill's shoulder wound was around 65" high and a downward trajectory.  His jaw wound was higher than that even and also a down trajectory.  To have  a down trajectory. It standing then Sheila would have fired up instead of down.

Even Jeremy would have a problem shooting down since he would hold a rifle around 62-3 inches high. It should be a relatively level shot or even up.  The jaw shot also should have been upwards.  The trajectories suggest he was not standing for these shots. Otherwise Jeremy was standing on their chair which I don't really see why he would do that.

 

 

   

[scipio_usmc]

Does it look like the sheets in the left photo have blood on them to anyone else?

The right side looks like the fitten bottom sheet after the top sheet was reoved.

http://users.skynet.be/dosscrim/jeremybamber/Sheila_Caffell_crime_scene.jpg

[Martin]

Someone 5'7" would hold a rifle 56" high or less. Nevill's shoulder wound was around 65" high and a downward trajectory.  His jaw wound was higher than that even and also a down trajectory.  To have  a down trajectory. It standing then Sheila would have fired up instead of down.

Even Jeremy would have a problem shooting down since he would hold a rifle around 62-3 inches high. It should be a relatively level shot or even up.  The jaw shot also should have been upwards.  The trajectories suggest he was not standing for these shots. Otherwise Jeremy was standing on their chair which I don't really see why he would do that.

 

My basic theory is that most, if not all, of the accurate shots to the head were fired when Nevill was already incapacitated and no longer standing up. Similarly, I believe that Sheila shot June in the forehead after she was already dead or at least unable to move. To be sure, Sheila, was no expert marksman, but accuracy is easy, close up and with an immobile target.

[Caroline]

Does it look like the sheets in the left photo have blood on them to anyone else?

The right side looks like the fitten bottom sheet after the top sheet was reoved.

http://users.skynet.be/dosscrim/jeremybamber/Sheila_Caffell_crime_scene.jpg

It may just be the pink flowered duvet that is bunched up at the end on the bed.

[scipio_usmc]

My basic theory is that most, if not all, of the accurate shots to the head were fired when Nevill was already incapacitated and no longer standing up. Similarly, I believe that Sheila shot June in the forehead after she was already dead or at least unable to move. To be sure, Sheila, was no expert marksman, but accuracy is easy, close up and with an immobile target.

The 4 head shots were in the kitchen after he was slumped over the chair most likely the other 4 delivered upstairs first.

The pathologist assessment is that the jaw wound and other 3 believed to have been delivered upstairs would not would not have immediately incapacitated him.  That is why he was able to struggle in the kitchen over the gun.

The jaw wound and shoulder wound delivered upstairs are what I am referring to.  The trajectors of the wounds were downward.  Both wounds were higher than Sheila would hold a rifle it she held it level.  That means to hit those locations if Nevill were standing there would be an upward trajactory.  I don't even think Jeremy would be tall enough to fire in a down trajactory if Nevill were standing.  Unless they were standing on something to fire.