What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?

[susan]

Alias I have to agree with you on this (sorry Adam) it is my opinion that Sheila did not sleep that night at all she lay on the bed (on top of covers) was restless got up and had something to eat and I suspect the incident with the tampon happened then as June would never have allowed an emply tampon holder to be left in the Lounge.  Where can I fit Jeremy into all this I can't unless he was very very clever and we cannot see the obvious.

[grahameb]

No Graheme. If it was Jeremy, they were asleep. As people are at 2am. Neville waking & managing to get out of bed. June being shot in bed, with her head on the pillow.

Oh I had it round the wrong way did I? They were asleep if it were Jeremy. But wide awake if it were Sheila. I see.

[Adam]

Yes. Quite possible if in a deep sleep.

Remember when 7 I went to sleep at one house & woke up at home. My dad had taken me & my sister home in the middle of the night. He said I slept right through it.

[grahameb]

To me it looks as if Sheila may have laid down on top of the covers, not gone to bed properly - there is an indentation on the pillow. I think she was restless that night and couldn´t sleep. That claim is substantiated by the undigested food in her stomach. She ate later (again) after the rest of the family.
Imagine the thoughts going through this ill woman´s head this sleepless night. "Please, please, please".

Yes. Sheila had undigested food in her stomach, but the others didn't?

[susan]

Adam imagine that you must have been in a very deep sleep are you sure you did not dream all of this.

[Adam]

Oh I had it round the wrong way did I? They were asleep if it were Jeremy. But wide awake if it were Sheila. I see.

Perhaps they were asleep if it was Sheila. But how did Neville make two phone calls ?

[lookout]

Perhaps they were asleep if it was Sheila. But how did Neville make two phone calls ?

Very quickly,,I imagine.

[Jane]

Yes. Quite possible if in a deep sleep.

Remember when 7 I went to sleep at one house & woke up at home. My dad had taken me & my sister home in the middle of the night. He said I slept right through it.

Children ARE known for it. Adults, unless drugged -Rohipnol?- or unconscious, AREN'T. Had you forgotten that her meds had been reduced to prevent he becoming drowsy? I imagine with the emotional trauma she was under sleep eluded her.

[Adam]

Children ARE known for it. Adults, unless drugged -Rohipnol?- or unconscious, AREN'T. Had you forgotten that her meds had been reduced to prevent he becoming drowsy? I imagine with the emotional trauma she was under sleep eluded her.

Sheila was on powerful drugs. Which would have made her drowsey & uncordinated.

I am a deep sleeper. Can sleep anywhere & not be woken up. Howrver would wake if someone tried to pick me up. However a 7 year old or light woman....

[Alias]

Yes. Quite possible if in a deep sleep.

Remember when 7 I went to sleep at one house & woke up at home. My dad had taken me & my sister home in the middle of the night. He said I slept right through it.

You were a CHILD!! Jeeez, it bothers me to no end that especially men have no problem in reducing Sheila to a blathering idiot, passive, easily led GIRL. Sheila was a grown WOMAN approaching 30.  I know that men generally have low opinions of women and in their own minds blow themselves up to unrealistic brilliance, but this is scraping the bottom!
I could throw up!

[lookout]

 Sheila would have been hyper,,no doubt about that. Schizophrenics aren't known for their regular 8 hour sleeping pattern at night. Even June woke at the least noise as she too was known as a poor sleeper,which Sheila would have known about,so it wouldn't have proved difficult for either women to engage themselves in conversation at an early hour.

[grahameb]

Children ARE known for it. Adults, unless drugged -Rohipnol?- or unconscious, AREN'T. Had you forgotten that her meds had been reduced to prevent he becoming drowsy? I imagine with the emotional trauma she was under sleep eluded her.

If you take a medication, say a tranquiliser and then move or walk around you prevent that drug from working. Ordinary nurses will tell you this. Sit down Mr. Jones or it won't work they say. Sheila's bed looks unslept in to me. May I suggest that something was playing on her mind that night? Would it have been this discussion that Jeremy testified took place between her and her parents? Perhaps she was pacing around as the others slept? Went downstairs. Spotted the gun on the settle and saw the solution to all her problems?

[Adam]

You were a CHILD!! Jeeez, it bothers me to no end that especially men have no problem in reducing Sheila to a blathering idiot, passive, easily led GIRL. Sheila was a grown WOMAN approaching 30.  I know that men generally have low opinions of women and in their own minds blow themselves up to unrealistic brilliance, but this is scraping the bottom!
I could throw up!

That is nothing to do with anything.

Sheila was a light woman. Jeremy a strong man.

If asleep Jeremy could easily pick her up & take her a few yards to another room. Sheila could remain asleep, or by the time she starts to wake, it is too late.

[lookout]

Sheila was on powerful drugs. Which would have made her drowsey & uncordinated.

I am a deep sleeper. Can sleep anywhere & not be woken up. Howrver would wake if someone tried to pick me up. However a 7 year old or light woman....

Adam,,there was only the tail-end of her reduced dose of Haloperidol in her system.NO other drugs,except cannabis,,but certainly NO prescription drugs,,and obviously her lowered dose wasn't even having its desired effect.
Her taking of cannabis would have cancelled out any therapeutic effect that the remainder of the Haloperidol would have had.

[Alias]

That is nothing to do with anything.

Sheila was a light woman. Jeremy a strong man.

If asleep Jeremy could easily pick her up & take her a few yards to another room. Sheila could remain asleep, or by the time she starts to wake, it is too late.

Bullshit. You talk about Sheila as if she were a child, she was almost thirty. What you are doing is sullying her dignity. I am appalled.