What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?

[grahameb]

Much less likely with Sheila.

If it was Sheila, Neville & June were not asleep in bed. Neville was up & wide awake. Even having time to make two phone calls (according to Jeremy). Surely June was awake as well. Therefore virtually no element of surprise & Sheila up against two adults.

scipio just said they were asleep.

[grahameb]

If it was Jeremy then Neville & June were surely in bed.

Scipio made an interesting point, that Neville managed to get out of bed &  followed Jeremy into the kitchen when Jeremy went to re load. Rather than Jeremy chasing Neville.

Oh I see. If it was Sheila Nevill and June were wide awake. But if it was Jeremy they were up and awake. I get your reasoning now.

[Alias]

It has also been suggested that Jeremy went into Sheila´s room and woke her up, then "led" her into their parents´ bedroom, you know, with all the blood and the body of her mother, not expecting that to upset her the least bit, then shoot the 100% passive and submissive Sheila (funny how men have no problem seeing a young woman being just that - fantasy, not reality!!!), allowing Jeremy to shoot her, first with gun at one angle, then another - both awkward.
Not only was Jeremy incredibly careful not to leave any traces of blood in Sheila´s room when he gently knocked on the door, went in and woke her up, he also allowed her time to make her bed - or did he make the bed, while Sheila waited around to be "led" and shot?

[grahameb]

It has also been suggested that Jeremy went into Sheila´s room and woke her up, then "led" her into their parents´ bedroom, you know, with all the blood and the body of her mother, not expecting that to upset her the least bit, then shoot the 100% passive and submissive Sheila (funny how men have no problem seeing a young woman being just that - fantasy, not reality!!!), allowing Jeremy to shoot her, first with gun at one angle, then another - both awkward.
Not only was Jeremy incredibly careful not to leave any traces of blood in Sheila´s room when he gently knocked on the door, went in and woke her up, he also allowed her time to make her bed - or did he make the bed, while Sheila waited around to be "led" and shot?

Well to me it certainly doesn't look as if her bed had been slept in?

[Adam]

Oh I see. If it was Sheila Nevill and June were wide awake. But if it was Jeremy they were up and awake. I get your reasoning now.

No Graheme. If it was Jeremy, they were asleep. As people are at 2am. Neville waking & managing to get out of bed. June being shot in bed, with her head on the pillow.

[Alias]

Well to me it certainly doesn't look as if her bed had been slept in?

To me it looks as if Sheila may have laid down on top of the covers, not gone to bed properly - there is an indentation on the pillow. I think she was restless that night and couldn´t sleep. That claim is substantiated by the undigested food in her stomach. She ate later (again) after the rest of the family.
Imagine the thoughts going through this ill woman´s head this sleepless night. "Please, please, please".

[lookout]

Alias,,she was in despair,poor woman. How ill she was. I can actually picture her actions having worked with these women. June and Neville must have been petrified. The fear alone is enough to freeze you to the spot,as they must have been.

[Adam]

It has also been suggested that Jeremy went into Sheila´s room and woke her up, then "led" her into their parents´ bedroom, you know, with all the blood and the body of her mother, not expecting that to upset her the least bit, then shoot the 100% passive and submissive Sheila (funny how men have no problem seeing a young woman being just that - fantasy, not reality!!!), allowing Jeremy to shoot her, first with gun at one angle, then another - both awkward.
Not only was Jeremy incredibly careful not to leave any traces of blood in Sheila´s room when he gently knocked on the door, went in and woke her up, he also allowed her time to make her bed - or did he make the bed, while Sheila waited around to be "led" and shot?

I have just realised that if Sheila did sleep through the upstairs silencer shots & savage but brief downstairs fight, which is quite possible (two hyperactive 6 year olds slept through it), Jeremy could have simply carried an asleep Sheila into the main bedroom. Laid her down & shot her. Sheila was very light. The main bedroom very near.

However it is quite possible Sheila woke & was cowering in her parents bedroom corner when Jeremy returned upstairs. Or Sheila was woken by her brother & taken to the bedroom.

[Jan]

Scipio suggested she was "dragged" from her bedroom - in which case she would have had marks on her arms.

Well that's one theory out of the way then.

[Caroline]

Just updated my list (point 6) after a good point by Scipio earlier in the week.

Related to point 6 is the fact that Jeremy could have committed the massacre alone. Already discussed previously.

Errrr, what does this even mean? 

[susan]

Adam when Jeremy carried Sheila from one room to another did she remain asleep

[Alias]

Scipio suggested she was "dragged" from her bedroom - in which case she would have had marks on her arms.

Well that's one theory out of the way then.

I would like to hear scipo´s thoughts on this - if he chooses to be civilized, that is. I know what Adam says, so I don´t need to read his posts anymore.  What he says in this regard is so unlikely that I choose to disregard it.

[susan]

Adam seem to have missed your list what was point 6 again please I have been so absorbed in Scipio's posts I seem to be missing yours

[Alias]

Adam when Jeremy carried Sheila from one room to another did she remain asleep

Yes, Susan, Sheila was a wisp of a woman girl and had the mind of a blathering baby. Maybe Jeremy even burped her now he was at it.

[Adam]

Adam when Jeremy carried Sheila from one room to another did she remain asleep

Yes. Quite possible if in a deep sleep.

Remember when 7 I went to sleep at one house & woke up at home. My dad had taken me & my sister home in the middle of the night. He said I slept right through it.