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Offline Caroline

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Re: Evidence of Jeremy staging the scene to frame Sheila
« Reply #375 on: May 16, 2014, 09:41:PM »

Caroline, I think you must have become lost in that forest of words. Can you wave so we know where you are? ;D ;D ;D ;D

help!!  :(
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Re: Evidence of Jeremy staging the scene to frame Sheila
« Reply #376 on: May 16, 2014, 09:45:PM »
help!!  :(



Hold on Caroline, we're coming to find you. :) :) :)

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Re: Evidence of Jeremy staging the scene to frame Sheila
« Reply #377 on: May 16, 2014, 09:50:PM »


Hold on Caroline, we're coming to find you. :) :) :)


"He also lied to police by telling them Sheila was proficient with all weapons in the house and had fired them all.  Later he told a tale of her going shooting with Anthony and Nevill and using the murder weapon during the shoot.  Anthony denied this.  The entire family and farm workers and friends said she had no interest in guns and no one even saw her touch one.  On this issue rather than look like a liar he changed and agreed he had not seen her touch or fire a gun.  Which means his prior statements were lies and clearly these lies were calculated to support the frame- his goal was to get police to believe she knew how to use weapons and thus could have carried out the murders.

I'm stuck between the last two paragraphs. Throw me a rope!!! :(
Jeremy Bamber supporters love to claim police framed him without any evidence it happened.  Here there is evidence he was framing Sheila and it is all ignored"
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Re: What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?
« Reply #378 on: May 16, 2014, 09:55:PM »
 Here's me,,for the last hour I've been trying to find out if there's a connection between AK1 and the P450 enzyme which is metabolized by the Haloperidol.

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Re: Evidence of Jeremy staging the scene to frame Sheila
« Reply #379 on: May 16, 2014, 09:57:PM »

"He also lied to police by telling them Sheila was proficient with all weapons in the house and had fired them all.  Later he told a tale of her going shooting with Anthony and Nevill and using the murder weapon during the shoot.  Anthony denied this.  The entire family and farm workers and friends said she had no interest in guns and no one even saw her touch one.  On this issue rather than look like a liar he changed and agreed he had not seen her touch or fire a gun.  Which means his prior statements were lies and clearly these lies were calculated to support the frame- his goal was to get police to believe she knew how to use weapons and thus could have carried out the murders.

I'm stuck between the last two paragraphs. Throw me a rope!!! :(
Jeremy Bamber supporters love to claim police framed him without any evidence it happened.  Here there is evidence he was framing Sheila and it is all ignored"



If you can force the lines apart a little more you should just about be able to grab the rope, but try not to put it round your neck!!!!!! We'll have you out in no time ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Evidence of Jeremy staging the scene to frame Sheila
« Reply #380 on: May 16, 2014, 10:00:PM »


If you can force the lines apart a little more you should just about be able to grab the rope, but try not to put it round your neck!!!!!! We'll have you out in no time ;D ;D ;D


It did cross my mind because I did lose the will to live half way  through!! (Sorry Scipio - just joking!!  ;)) - I managed to swing through the gap and somersault over the final paragraph!! Phew!!  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?
« Reply #381 on: May 16, 2014, 10:02:PM »
Who said we're weird?  ;D ;D
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Re: Evidence of Jeremy staging the scene to frame Sheila
« Reply #382 on: May 16, 2014, 10:04:PM »

It did cross my mind because I did lose the will to live half way  through!! (Sorry Scipio - just joking!!  ;)) - I managed to swing through the gap and somersault over the final paragraph!! Phew!!  ;D ;D ;D


Good to have you back. For one awful moment I thought you were a gonner but my radar tells me you could be hit by something big very shortly................not Scipio. :o :o :o
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Re: Evidence of Jeremy staging the scene to frame Sheila
« Reply #383 on: May 16, 2014, 10:10:PM »
NOT TRUE WE ARE ALL INDIVIDUALS AND HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS

I did not say that all Jeremy Bamber supports assert such. 

SHAME THEY DID NOT TAKE THE FAMILY SERIOUSLY THEN WHEN THEY TRIED TO TELL THEM WITHIN A COUPLE OF DAYS

For sure shame that the lead investigator needed the family to tell him what he should have been doing and that he resisted to the bitter end.  Some of the police under him were suspicious and actually did their job anyway.  Others were either too lazy or too scared of standing up to their boss.  And I know it is not nice to make fun of someone who passed away but between his ineptitude and falling from a ladder he is Inspector Clouseau in my mind. 

WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE EVIDENCE FROM THE FIRST ENQUIRY THAT IS UNDER PII

I don't know why it is hidden but I don't know what use it would be given the overall findings.

NOT TRUE -WE FEEL IF THEY HAD DONE A BETTER JOB THERE WOULD NOT BE SO MANY AMBIGOUS LOGS ETC - WHICH WOULD MEAN WE WOULD NOT BE IN THIS POSITION

There is not much ambiguity.  The log of the "second call" is not ambiguous it clearly notes the dispatcher received a call from the internal police line and who the person who transmitted it was- the same person Jeremy had called initially.  An offsite log from someone who misunderstood that there were 2 bodies in the kitchen was not hard to figure out what had occurred.  The person assumed there were 2 bodies because the first seen was thought to be female but when seen it was actually male.  Peopel intent on proving conspiracy claims strain to use such evidence as proof of police misconduct not out or any real confusion.  The reports of the police make clear how they thought it was  afemale at first but then up close found out it was a male.  Did Sheila have gray hair?  Who would have called her an elderly female with gray hair?


SEE TH HISTORY OF THE MODERATOR I POSTED (COURTESY OF ROCH) BEFORE THERE ARE DOCUMENTS TO BACK IT UP

Documents to back up what? 

I have seen documents that:

1) relate to the moderator being given a new designation and the change in designation was fully explained to the court which is why this claim went no where.

2) about who searched the house but the statements of the police were that they were not told to take any wepaons and didn't take them or the ammunition carrier or other accessories at the time of the initial searches of the closet.

If there are documents of something else let me know.   


THEY ACCEPTED IT WAS SUICIDE INITIALLY
  Yes they did and didn't investigate the scene like a homicide scene as they should have because  it should be after all the eveidence is processed fully is when it is proper to conclude instead of simply believing Jeremy like Inspector Clousseau did.


Scipio Wrote:"Jeremy did make many claims though and these claims initially swayed the head investigator.  Many of these claims turned out to be lies though.  Why was Jerey lying/  To make police think Sheila committed the killings.  Why would he lie and try to convince them she committed the killings unless he was in fact responsible and framing her?  These lies are evidence he was trying to frame her.  Jeremy Bamber supporters always ignore such evidence and try to pretend everything he said was honest.  They try to pretend that Sheila went shooting, that he regularly shot animals and that the ridiculous story of him leaving the gun out has to be true and even make up nonsense about how suppressors and telescopic sights don’t do anything."

NOT TRUE -SEE HIS STATMENT - WHAT OTHER LIES ?

It is true.  He changed his claims when he made his statement because other people contradicted him

Paragraph 30 2002 Appeal decision:

"The appellant told the police that Sheila Caffell could use a gun. He said they had gone target shooting together and she had used all the guns in the house before. In the light of what they were told the uniformed officers requested armed assistance before any attempt to search the house was made. The appellant dictated a list of the firearms kept at the house. He told the police that he had loaded the .22 automatic rifle the previous night because he thought he had heard rabbits outside. He said he had left the gun on the kitchen table with a full magazine and a box of ammunition nearby."
 
YOU ARE JOKING ? AT THAT TIME OF YEAR IT WAS PERFECTLY POSSIBLE

Is it like Scandinavia where there are only a couple of hours of darkness?   At any rate I notice how you ignored the part that he was not kown to shoot vermin ever because he didn't like shooting them and had not much interest in guns at all.

THEY COULD HAVE BEEN PUT AWAY DURING THE EVENING FOR ALL JB KNEW AND FOR ALL WE KNOW AS WELL


He claims the box of bullets was still in the same location he left them so suggests the gun was as well thus easy access for Sheila.  That was the argument made by the defense at trial.  In any event, if he had actually left it out they likely would have been put away.  But there is no reason at all to believe his claim that he decided to go try to shoot rabbits when it would have been dark already so he would not even have likely noticed any rabbits, was not known to ever shoot rabbits, that the gun had been stored without the accessories attached and that he planned to go shoot rabbits without first installing the sights and suppressor if he had in fact found it without them attached.  I love how he was rushing because he was scared they would run away but wasn't scared the noise from the shot would scare them off.   


ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ BORED NOW


translation: you have no rebuttal


Scipio wrote:
"He had no idea police would be able to figure out it was her blood inside the suppressor or that it was used in the murders, he didn’t know enough about science and figured his word the gun was left out without the suppressor attached would be good enough. ??"

BUT HE WAS A COLD PLANNING CALCULATING MURDERER - WHAT A SILLY BOY


Cold calculating murderers miscalculate all the time or none would get caught. His lack of knowledge about firearms and the science of blood evidence did him in big time.  But he made other errors as well like not bothering to make sure the box didn't have too many bullets to have been the source of the bullets used for the murders and telling Julie so much for so long was a huge mistake.

 

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Re: What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?
« Reply #384 on: May 16, 2014, 10:14:PM »
translation: you have no rebuttal


No truthfully I was bored by your post -it is full of inaccuracies - and when I have posted documents to show facts you have ignored then

You have no rebuttal

You are like Adam - but more wordy ;D




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Re: What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?
« Reply #385 on: May 16, 2014, 10:27:PM »
If there are documents of something else let me know

Scipio


what about this dated 11/9 ? And Anne Eaton was asked why did she not mention the silencer in her statement round about 14th August after it was supposed to have been found
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Re: What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?
« Reply #386 on: May 16, 2014, 10:28:PM »
translation: you have no rebuttal


No truthfully I was bored by your post -it is full of inaccuracies - and when I have posted documents to show facts you have ignored then

You have no rebuttal

You are like Adam - but more wordy ;D

What facts did Ignore?

You posted a document that proved the very point I was making. 

I hoted how he changed his story and you posted one statement showing a set of claims he made and I posted evidence that he made different claims previously- he changed his story.

"The appellant told the police that Sheila Caffell could use a gun. He said they had gone target shooting together and she had used all the guns in the house before. In the light of what they were told the uniformed officers requested armed assistance before any attempt to search the house was made. The appellant dictated a list of the firearms kept at the house. He told the police that he had loaded the .22 automatic rifle the previous night because he thought he had heard rabbits outside. He said he had left the gun on the kitchen table with a full magazine and a box of ammunition nearby."

That is what he told police before they stormed the house.  As the page you posted from his statement revealed, he claimed something different in it.  You unintentionally helped prove my point.

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Re: What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?
« Reply #387 on: May 16, 2014, 10:30:PM »
If there are documents of something else let me know

Scipio


what about this dated 11/9 ? And Anne Eaton was asked why did she not mention the silencer in her statement round about 14th August after it was supposed to have been found

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Re: What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?
« Reply #388 on: May 16, 2014, 10:37:PM »
Why did the police take silencers from DB and RB for the trial and give them exhibit number 675?

Even they did not know why?

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Re: What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?
« Reply #389 on: May 16, 2014, 10:41:PM »
The other document that does exist is a police log of DB reporting a silencer with blood stains on 11th SEPT -not august .

I  will try again

Can you post up documentary proof of exactly what Jeremy told the police about how much Sheila used the guns please?

Using the words which you have attributed to him "proficient"